[iaoa-bylaws] Fwd: [iaoa-member] IAOA Ballot: --- (STILL) DO IT NOW! --- (if you haven't already...)

Wed Sep 3 20:37:24 CEST 2014

I take that as a suggestion (by a now former member and member of the advisory committee) that we got rid of the quorum. I disagree with Pat’s style, but I think he has a point (at least for routine elections). 

Best
Fabian 

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> From: Pat Hayes <phayes at ihmc.us>
> Subject: Re: [iaoa-member] IAOA Ballot: --- (STILL) DO IT NOW! --- (if you haven't already...)
> Date: 3. September 2014 08:24:40 MESZ
> To: John Bateman <bateman at uni-bremen.de>
> Cc: "\[IAOA-member\]" <iaoa-member at ovgu.de>
> Reply-To: "\[IAOA-member\]" <iaoa-member at ovgu.de>
> 
> 
> On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:37 PM, John Bateman <bateman at uni-bremen.de> wrote:
> 
>> Am 02.09.2014 19:14, schrieb Pat Hayes:
>>> John, this is idiotic.
>> 
>> No, Pat; it is not idiotic. We need
> 
> I don't care what you "need". It is idiotic. It was idiotic to set this up in such a way that it requires ACTIVE participation in order to register an ABSTENTION, which by definition is a lack of active participation. In fact, this is so idiotic that I doubt that it is correct even in Italian law: have to actually taken legal advice on what counts as "abstention" ?
> 
>> a quorum in order to stop
>> bothering people about voting and to have a functioning
>> organisation according to the legal system of the
>> country where we are established.
> 
> Then re-establish it somewhere else. That requirement is absurd for an organization like this. 
> 
> In the meantime, please take whatever legal steps are necessary in the country of origin to remove me from whatever status I have that requires me to vote an abstention without actually abstaining. 
> 
> In other words, I resign. 
> 
>> The statistics document
>> that after each reminder message there is a spike in
>> those who are remembering to vote. This is the communicative
>> function of the messages, which they evidently
>> fulfil. I'm glad of the positive feedback from you that the
>> emails have at least attracted *your* attention and
>> so hope that this generalises beyond the
>> single case and that therefore these emails
>> (and the ones that will still be
>> sent before the voting period actually ends: yes,
>> @folks, there are more coming!
> 
> I will not see them. My email filters will now automatically trash any messages with [iaoa-member] in the subject line. 
> 
>> --- we have NOT
>> reached quorum yet (although we are in much better shape
>> than this time yesterday) --- be prepared and set
>> your spam filters accordingly .... [right, for
>> four messages, go for it...]) will continue to attract
>> attention of the *other* members, particularly
>> those who have not yet voted. [YOU KNOW WHO
>> YOU ARE ...:-) ]
>> 
>> Pat, I take your positive suggestion for a vote not cast
>> by a certain date to be an abstention as a serious
>> proposal (if a little mistimed) for how we might
>> try and organise our association
>> by-laws better next time round. Suggestions for
>> improvements that save your (and even your) time
>> are always more than welcome, although changing the regulations
>> in the middle of a voting period is perhaps
>> not the most usual of policies. Whether your suggested
>> interpretation of not having voted is legal with
>> respect to the various countries whose legal systems
>> we have to conform to, we will need to check. Personally,
>> I like this proposal as it is also the way in which
>> we run (some of) our toy university commissions. Whether
>> it scales legally, we'll let you know (unless you
>> already have information that you could share
>> with us, preferably for the Italian and Swiss
>> legal systems (and their dictionaries)). That
>> would be a useful piece of feedback, perhaps one
>> which we could have saved ourselves a lot of
>> work with had it been made a bit earlier (like
>> during last year's election (or the year before's
>> (or the one before that....)))...
>> 
>>> ...in order to
>>> satisfy someone's wet dream of running a Real Grown-Up Organization.
>> 
>> yeah right; like, maybe, get real? We obviously spend our
>> time at this because it is such bedwetting fun....
> 
> I can't image any other reason. What exactly is being achieved by all this palaver (which is not needed by any other similar organization I know, including AISB, AAAI, CSS, IJCAI and OASIS among several others) if not some dream of importance?
> 
> Pat
> 
>> 
>> But thank you for your valued input, regardless of how
>> phrased,
>> 
>> ---------------- @iaoa-members...
>> 
>> AND for the *rest* of you: VOTE NOW!!! We are still 18 votes
>> (as of this moment) short of quorum!!! And around
>> 100 of you HAVE NOT YET VOTED!! Please please
>> save me from more astringent emails from Pat Hayes!!
>> How would I cope? You *know* it is the right thing to do.... :-)
>> (Instructions below.)
>> 
>> ---------------
>> 
>> Best,
>> John B.
>> 
>> (not entirely for the Election Committee....)
>> 
>> 
>> INSTRUCTIONS FOR VOTING:
>> ========================
>> 
>> * Go the IAOA website at iaoa.org
>> 
>> * enter the "Member's Area" (link on left menu bar)
>> with your member  credentials. If you have lost your password, you can reset it by clicking at
>> https://secure.iaoa.org/users/edit-user-pw_reset.php
>> 
>> * select the "Utilities" tab in the Members Area
>> 
>> * select the "2014 Executive Council" item at the bottom of the list
>> 
>> * cast your vote by clicking your preferences in the voting form and submitting it (Note: you are selecting between 0 and 3 candidates as EC members: 0 means that you abstain but were present at the ballot).
>> 
>> You can ignore the warning about a security certificate should
>> one pop up.
>> 
>> The Candidates for the new EC are listed at
>> 
>> http://ontolog-02.cim3.net/wiki/IAOA_ExecutiveCouncil_Election_2014#List_of_Candidates
>> 
>> together with their position statements, as well as the details of the election process.
>> 
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