<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I take that as a suggestion (by a now former member and member of the advisory committee) that we got rid of the quorum. I disagree with Pat’s style, but I think he has a point (at least for routine elections). <div><br></div><div>Best<br><div>Fabian <br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">Pat Hayes <<a href="mailto:phayes@ihmc.us">phayes@ihmc.us</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';"><b>Re: [iaoa-member] IAOA Ballot: --- (STILL) DO IT NOW! --- (if you haven't already...)</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">3. September 2014 08:24:40 MESZ<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">John Bateman <<a href="mailto:bateman@uni-bremen.de">bateman@uni-bremen.de</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">"\[IAOA-member\]" <<a href="mailto:iaoa-member@ovgu.de">iaoa-member@ovgu.de</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Reply-To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">"\[IAOA-member\]" <<a href="mailto:iaoa-member@ovgu.de">iaoa-member@ovgu.de</a>><br></span></div><br><div><br>On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:37 PM, John Bateman <<a href="mailto:bateman@uni-bremen.de">bateman@uni-bremen.de</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Am 02.09.2014 19:14, schrieb Pat Hayes:<br><blockquote type="cite">John, this is idiotic.<br></blockquote><br>No, Pat; it is not idiotic. We need<br></blockquote><br>I don't care what you "need". It is idiotic. It was idiotic to set this up in such a way that it requires ACTIVE participation in order to register an ABSTENTION, which by definition is a lack of active participation. In fact, this is so idiotic that I doubt that it is correct even in Italian law: have to actually taken legal advice on what counts as "abstention" ?<br><br><blockquote type="cite">a quorum in order to stop<br>bothering people about voting and to have a functioning<br>organisation according to the legal system of the<br>country where we are established.<br></blockquote><br>Then re-establish it somewhere else. That requirement is absurd for an organization like this. <br><br>In the meantime, please take whatever legal steps are necessary in the country of origin to remove me from whatever status I have that requires me to vote an abstention without actually abstaining. <br><br>In other words, I resign. <br><br><blockquote type="cite">The statistics document<br>that after each reminder message there is a spike in<br>those who are remembering to vote. This is the communicative<br>function of the messages, which they evidently<br>fulfil. I'm glad of the positive feedback from you that the<br>emails have at least attracted *your* attention and<br>so hope that this generalises beyond the<br>single case and that therefore these emails<br>(and the ones that will still be<br>sent before the voting period actually ends: yes,<br>@folks, there are more coming!<br></blockquote><br>I will not see them. My email filters will now automatically trash any messages with [iaoa-member] in the subject line. <br><br><blockquote type="cite">--- we have NOT<br>reached quorum yet (although we are in much better shape<br>than this time yesterday) --- be prepared and set<br>your spam filters accordingly .... [right, for<br>four messages, go for it...]) will continue to attract<br>attention of the *other* members, particularly<br>those who have not yet voted. [YOU KNOW WHO<br>YOU ARE ...:-) ]<br><br>Pat, I take your positive suggestion for a vote not cast<br>by a certain date to be an abstention as a serious<br>proposal (if a little mistimed) for how we might<br>try and organise our association<br>by-laws better next time round. Suggestions for<br>improvements that save your (and even your) time<br>are always more than welcome, although changing the regulations<br>in the middle of a voting period is perhaps<br>not the most usual of policies. Whether your suggested<br>interpretation of not having voted is legal with<br>respect to the various countries whose legal systems<br>we have to conform to, we will need to check. Personally,<br>I like this proposal as it is also the way in which<br>we run (some of) our toy university commissions. Whether<br>it scales legally, we'll let you know (unless you<br>already have information that you could share<br>with us, preferably for the Italian and Swiss<br>legal systems (and their dictionaries)). That<br>would be a useful piece of feedback, perhaps one<br>which we could have saved ourselves a lot of<br>work with had it been made a bit earlier (like<br>during last year's election (or the year before's<br>(or the one before that....)))...<br><br><blockquote type="cite">...in order to<br>satisfy someone's wet dream of running a Real Grown-Up Organization.<br></blockquote><br>yeah right; like, maybe, get real? We obviously spend our<br>time at this because it is such bedwetting fun....<br></blockquote><br>I can't image any other reason. What exactly is being achieved by all this palaver (which is not needed by any other similar organization I know, including AISB, AAAI, CSS, IJCAI and OASIS among several others) if not some dream of importance?<br><br>Pat<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br>But thank you for your valued input, regardless of how<br>phrased,<br><br>---------------- @iaoa-members...<br><br>AND for the *rest* of you: VOTE NOW!!! We are still 18 votes<br>(as of this moment) short of quorum!!! And around<br>100 of you HAVE NOT YET VOTED!! Please please<br>save me from more astringent emails from Pat Hayes!!<br>How would I cope? You *know* it is the right thing to do.... :-)<br>(Instructions below.)<br><br>---------------<br><br>Best,<br>John B.<br><br>(not entirely for the Election Committee....)<br><br><br>INSTRUCTIONS FOR VOTING:<br>========================<br><br>* Go the IAOA website at <a href="http://iaoa.org">iaoa.org</a><br><br>* enter the "Member's Area" (link on left menu bar)<br>with your member credentials. If you have lost your password, you can reset it by clicking at<br><a href="https://secure.iaoa.org/users/edit-user-pw_reset.php">https://secure.iaoa.org/users/edit-user-pw_reset.php</a><br><br>* select the "Utilities" tab in the Members Area<br><br>* select the "2014 Executive Council" item at the bottom of the list<br><br>* cast your vote by clicking your preferences in the voting form and submitting it (Note: you are selecting between 0 and 3 candidates as EC members: 0 means that you abstain but were present at the ballot).<br><br>You can ignore the warning about a security certificate should<br>one pop up.<br><br>The Candidates for the new EC are listed at<br><br>http://ontolog-02.cim3.net/wiki/IAOA_ExecutiveCouncil_Election_2014#List_of_Candidates<br><br>together with their position statements, as well as the details of the election process.<br><br></blockquote><br>------------------------------------------------------------<br>IHMC (850)434 8903 home<br>40 South Alcaniz St. (850)202 4416 office<br>Pensacola (850)202 4440 fax<br>FL 32502 (850)291 0667 mobile (preferred)<br><a href="mailto:phayes@ihmc.us">phayes@ihmc.us</a> <a href="http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes">http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>_________________________________________________________________<br>To Post: <a href="mailto:iaoa-member@ovgu.de">mailto:iaoa-member@ovgu.de</a><br>Msg Archives: <a href="https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/private/iaoa-member/">https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/private/iaoa-member/</a><br>List Info: <a href="https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/iaoa-member/">https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/iaoa-member/</a><br>IAOA website: <a href="http://iaoa.org">http://iaoa.org</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>