[iaoa-education] Transcript of the IAOA Education Committee Meeting n.52 - Oct 05, 2021
Frank Loebe
frank.loebe at informatik.uni-leipzig.de
Tue Oct 5 18:29:08 CEST 2021
Dear all,
please find below the chat transcript of the Education Committee meeting
n.52, just held. Thanks to those who attended.
If you have any comments or change requests, please let me know.
We haven't yet agreed on a date and time for the next meeting, this
remains to be done. It may also be affected by the final choice of the
next ESAO webinar on (tentatively) Nov 09 or Nov 02, 2021.
Best regards,
Frank
-- unedited chat transcript --
[16:00] FrankLoebe: .
= IAOA Education Technical Committee meeting n.52 on Oct 05, 2021 =
IAOA EduTC Meeting
Tuesday, Oct 05, 2021 14:00 GMT / UTC
regional times: 10:00 EDT / 16:00 CEST / 17:00 SAST [1]
Skype: https://join.skype.com/eKAVpRwdkfFY
Chat : http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_educ
[1]
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20211005T1400&ah=1&am=30
[2] transcript of n.51, Sep 07, 2021
https://listserv.ovgu.de/pipermail/iaoa-education/2021-September/000348.html
[3] ESAO organization document
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0fvfy7JzmYHhfivE98OCYLIO8QTcs448xiH35gcxZg/
== participants ==
expecting:
OK Oliver Kutz
FL Frank Loebe
SL Sandra Lovrencic
RR Robert Rovetto
LV Laure Vieu
open:
?? < guest(s) >
LJ Ludger Jansen
ES Emilio Sanfilippo
TS Todd Schneider
CT Cassia Trojahn
regrets:
< none >
long-term regrets:
< none >
== Agenda of EduTC meeting n.52, Oct 05, 2021 ==
=== ESAO / ESAO Launch Day ===
! 1. next ESAO webinar session (early Nov)
a. fix key features
1: confirm topics & speakers
2: date?
3: format?
b. technical approach: options & choice
c. task allocation
2. review of the ESAO Launch Day
a. general comments?
b. review of proposals from 'ESAO Future Group'
c. gathering feedback from audience of ESAO-LD? (questionnaire?)
! 3. post-processing ESAO Launch Day [OK,CT]
a. video publishing and author agreements
4. ESAO(-LD) web presence
a. review of ESAO website and wikipage
b. next steps
? 5. ESAO future
a. any news by anyone? future webinar sessions?
1: any unit productions in progress?
2: broader call for topics?
3: idea of "going through the term list" [FL]
b. need for process clarification -> with community?
(PC, decisions, quality assurance)
=== Other EduTC matters ===
? 6. EduTC wiki access
? 7. SWAO SIG: "What is an ontology?" -> report possible?
! 8. Next meeting(s) & AoB
= pre-meeting material =
[1] ESAO-LD 2021 website
https://esao2021.inf.unibz.it/
[2] ESAO wiki area
https://wiki.iaoa.org/index.php/Edu:ESAO
[16:03] anonymous morphed into ES
[16:03] anonymous1 morphed into Robert Rovetto
[16:04] FrankLoebe: LV: for a wrap-up tomorrow (e.g. with Cassia), I'd
be available between 14:30-15:00
[16:05] FrankLoebe: < session starts >
[16:05] FrankLoebe: .
== 1. next ESAO webinar session (early Nov) ==
a. fix key features
1: confirm topics & speakers
2: date?
3: format?
b. technical approach: options & choice
c. task allocation
[16:10] FrankLoebe: < topic proposals added to the ESAO org. document
(new section) >
[16:13] FrankLoebe: RR comment on topic of "ontological realism":
* interested in that topic myself
* interested in perhaps a collaboration on that with A.Barton
[16:14] FrankLoebe: LV: we can have multiple sessions on the same topic
[16:28] FrankLoebe: < discussion on potential ways of a collaborative
approach for the realism-topic >
[16:30] FrankLoebe: RR: accompanying a talk on realism, a talk on
conceptualism would be appropriate, I think
[16:32] Robert Rovetto: Re:topic of onto realism...yes, given my past
paper submissions in which I recommended the need to clarify the type of
realism when mentioning it, i would like to collaborate on that
topic/presentaiton
[16:32] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL, LV] follow up on that, e.g., reporting
to Adrien
[16:33] FrankLoebe: [agreement] continue with these two topics
[16:35] FrankLoebe: LV: regarding dates, we had discussed Tuesday evenings
[16:35] FrankLoebe: FL: two options there would be 17:00 or 18:00 CEST
[16:37] FrankLoebe: LV, FL: duration considerations: let's plan for ca.
30 min talks and ca. 30 min discussion, i.e., going with a slot of 1h
[16:39] FrankLoebe: LV: regular slot could be first or second Tue of the
month, i.e.
* for Nov: 02 or 09
* for Dec: 07 or 14
[16:43] FrankLoebe: [action] [LV] check with the speakers on Nov 02 and
Nov 09
[16:43] FrankLoebe: RR: I have a conflict on Nov 02, so from my point of
view Nov 09 would be nice, due to my interest in the topic
[16:44] FrankLoebe: SL: maybe Nov 09 is better than
[16:46] FrankLoebe: FL: by "format" I meant a very broad reading, in
case we have any further ideas
[16:47] FrankLoebe: LV, FL: with different topics, it makes sense to
keep the discussion directly after each talk
[16:47] FrankLoebe: [action] [LV] ask the speakers for their preferred
approach between pre-recording and doing a live talk
[16:48] FrankLoebe: [agreement] speakers should be present for
live-discussion afterwards
[16:52] FrankLoebe: FL: when will do advertisement?
[16:53] FrankLoebe: FL: I'd propose asap after fixing speakers and date/time
[16:54] FrankLoebe: LV: besides [iaoa-member], we should go public via
website, Twitter etc. and possibly also via the participants of ESAO-LD
[16:54] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] draft advertisement
[16:55] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] handle distribution
[16:56] FrankLoebe: LV: not available from Oct 11-13 (possibly also 14
and/or 15)
[16:57] FrankLoebe: LV: I believe that CT can run again her Zoom webinar
[16:57] FrankLoebe: LV: video processing and post-processing remains open
[16:59] FrankLoebe: [action] clarify with CT her availability on Nov 09
and/or 02 (perhaps before checking with the speakers)
[16:59] FrankLoebe: ^ do that in a call tomorrow
[16:59] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] check Zoom alternative via University
of Leipzig
[17:01] FrankLoebe: LV: I think that I'm able to run CT's Zoom session,
as well
[17:02] FrankLoebe: .
== 2. review of the ESAO Launch Day ==
a. general comments?
b. review of proposals from 'ESAO Future Group'
c. gathering feedback from audience of ESAO-LD? (questionnaire?)
[17:07] FrankLoebe: < item 3. quick-info: videos of the ESAO-LD may be
post-processed at Uni Bolzano; we need a GDPR compliant release
agreement from the speakers >
[17:09] FrankLoebe: < resuming item 2. >
[17:10] FrankLoebe: RR: generally fine, with the impression that some
presentations focused a bit more on their own project than necessary;
for education, neutrality is desirable
[17:12] FrankLoebe: LV: I liked the quality, while the scope and level
of required expertise was sometimes fairly high
[17:13] FrankLoebe: RR: we should emphasize that aspect to the upcoming
speakers
[17:13] FrankLoebe: LV, FL: +1
[17:13] FrankLoebe: ^
[17:13] FrankLoebe: ^ +2 actually
[17:13] FrankLoebe: ^ +2 actually
[17:15] FrankLoebe: LV: I believe Todd Schneider reported that the
language used was sometimes overloaded with technical terminology that
was likely now yet known to the whole audience
[17:18] FrankLoebe: FL: Does anyone know Lars Vogt?
[17:18] FrankLoebe: (basically no)
[17:19] FrankLoebe: LV: I'd suggest that the alternative approach based
on causal unity shouldn't cover too much of the talk duration
[17:20] FrankLoebe: RR: I'd again recommend that talks should aim at a
neutral approach, i.e., preferably covering all positions given on a
specific topic
[17:22] FrankLoebe: LV: well, particular standpoints can be fine, but
should be made clear where they're located in the field
[17:23] FrankLoebe: < back to item 3. >
[17:25] FrankLoebe: OK: legal regulations in Europe are somewhat
complicated, but need to be looked at for archiving videos
[17:29] FrankLoebe: OK: regarding the 4 years, there seems to be a rule
requiring a date of when material will be deleted
[17:30] FrankLoebe: OK: we would be interested in indefinitely long
archiving
[17:32] FrankLoebe: LV: Is there a form of UniBZ for video releases?
[17:33] FrankLoebe: OK: the one available is not yet perfect; but I'll
be provided with a revised version at some point
[17:36] FrankLoebe: .
== on conference reviewing ==
[17:37] FrankLoebe: RR: I suggest the EduTC encourages improvements of
the reviewing processes in conferences in the AO field
[17:38] FrankLoebe: RR: others have expressed to me having made similar
experiences
[17:42] FrankLoebe: RR reporting on an email:
* over-emphasis on ontology reuse
* quality and tone of some of the reviews was bad
[17:43] FrankLoebe: RR: I see relevance for the EduTC by making clear
that certain methodologies are taken as mandatory (e.g., ontology reuse
should not be enforced)
[17:44] FrankLoebe: RR: also, people shouldn't be put down by the
wording of the reviews
[17:51] FrankLoebe: < discussion on views on those cases and how this
relates to the EduTC >
[17:57] FrankLoebe: RR: options for actions: IAOA could discourage (1)
language of condescending nature and (2) not push one's own
ontology/ies; certain false arguments could be identified (e.g.,
enforcing reuse no matter what)
RR: main point is to improve the situation for more fairness
[18:01] FrankLoebe: ES: in 2021, we had some guidelines for FOIS
reviewing for the first time.
[18:04] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] take comments to the next EC meeting
[18:05] Robert Rovetto:
https://groups.google.com/g/obo-discuss/c/-5bMyk2ORTI?pli=1
[18:08] FrankLoebe: < session ends >
[18:08] Robert Rovetto: (may 19 email about bullying)
[18:09] FrankLoebe: .
== participants ==
* present:
OK Oliver Kutz
FL Frank Loebe
SL Sandra Lovrencic
RR Robert Rovetto
ES Emilio Sanfilippo
LV Laure Vieu
< chat-transcript ends >
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