[iaoa-education] Transcript of the IAOA Education Committee Meeting n.45 - Mar 25, 2021

Frank Loebe frank.loebe at informatik.uni-leipzig.de
Thu Mar 25 12:01:10 CET 2021 

Dear all,

please find below the unedited chat transcript of the Education
Committee meeting n.45, just held.

If you have any comments or change requests, please let me know.

Comments on the next meeting come in a separate message.

Best regards,
Frank


-- unedited chat transcript --

[10:01] FrankLoebe: .
= IAOA Education Technical Committee meeting n.45 on Mar 25, 2021 =

   --> Meeting n.45                     Thu, Mar 25, 2021
       05:00 EDT / 09:00 UCT / 10:00 CET / 11:00 SAST [1]
                !! unusual DST differences !!

         Skype: https://join.skype.com/eKAVpRwdkfFY
         Chat : http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_educ

[1] 
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20210325T0900&ah=1&am=30
     selected based on [2]

[2] https://doodle.com/poll/umwnc6ufh2nhdveb

[3] transcript of n.44, Mar 03, 2021
https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/iaoa-education/2021-March/000293.html


== participants ==

expecting:
   LJ  Ludger Jansen
   FL  Frank Loebe
   SL  Sandra Lovrencic
   RR  Robert Rovetto
   ES  Emilio Sanfilippo
   CT  Cassia Trojahn
   LV  Laure Vieu

regrets:
   TH  Torsten Hahmann
   DP  Daniele Porello
   TS  Todd Schneider

open:
   MK  Maria Keet


== agenda ==

   0. adoption of agenda

   1. webinar series: summary of recent discussions (n.44 and Mar 24)
      a. distributed responsibility of handling the whole process
      b. scope & format(s): with much liberty
      c. quality assurance
      d. two-stage approach to gathering videos
      e. thoughts on initial webinars

   2. webinar series: continue brainstorming
      a. expectations & decision-making                            [FL]
      b. integration of existing teaching units?
      c. first program (what who when)
      d. teaching units (TUs) and webinars
         1: distinction as such
         2: technical aspects for TUs
         3: technical aspects for webinars (which host, how to record)
      f. series terminology and acronym

   3. updates on EduTC technical resources
      a. public wiki & registration issue
      b. issue tracker with internal wiki & self-registration

   4. next meeting(s) and AOB
      a. default meeting time?
      b. next meeting
      c. checking open action items


= pre-meeting material =


== 1. webinar series: summary of recent discussions (n.44; Mar 24) ==

source mainly [1] (n.44), except for 1c. (Mar 24)

[1] 
https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/iaoa-education/2021-March/000293.html


=== 1a. distributed responsibility of handling the whole process ===

* no single lead, but pursue as group activity
* declarations of interest for specific aspects:
  ** Maria Keet for structuring and planning of the series
  ** Maria Keet for input on restructuring talks

=== 1b. format(s): with much liberty ===

* agreement on self-standing, cherry-pickable units
   (rather than a course of interdependent "modules")
* default duration: 10-20 minutes, deviations possible
* apart from that much freedom
   (e.g., frequency, live vs. pre-recording, technical setup)

* scope: 2 major lines considered
  ** research-oriented education in Applied Ontology (Post-Grads, PhDs)
  ** training for industry/business ontologists

=== 1c. quality assurance ===

initial discussion on Mar 24 on how to guide presenters and ensure quality
* some, yet limited control via abstract/short descriptions of the topics
* who shall decide what goes online in the series?
* handling of positions possibly in conflict with other communities?
* handling of controversial views?

=== 1d. two-stage approach to gathering videos ===

* initiating phase with invited presenters, leading to first units
* open call/request for volunteering presenters

=== 1e. thoughts on initial webinars ===

* presenter candidates named in n.44:
  ** Kit Fine
  ** Nicola Guarino
  ** Achille Varzi
* mixed approach of presenters desired
   (between community grandees and newcomers)


== 2. webinar series: continue brainstorming ==

=== 2f. terminology and acronym ===

* "webinar" correct for all planned events?
* "webcast" fitting, too?

acronym proposals:
* ESAO - Educational Series on Applied Ontology
  ** does not fix a format
  ** acronym close to ISAO - Interdisciplinary School on AO


== 3. updates on EduTC technical resources ==

[1] Trac issue tracking and wiki
     https://trac.iaoa.org:777/edutc

[2] Public wiki area within IAOA Semantic MediaWiki
     https://wiki.iaoa.org/index.php/Edu:Home


== 4. next meeting(s) and AOB ==

* 4a: proposals for a default meeting time and rhythm?
  ** FL consideration: target a 4-week-rhythm, 2 weeks before Doodle poll

* 4b: next meeting -> week starting on Apr 19?

=== 4c. checking open action items ===

tasks from n.44:

[12:25] [action] [LV] establish a branch in IAOA's internal wiki for 
joint work during the meetings

[12:25] [action] [FL] setup the Doodle for the next meeting

[12:27] [action] [LV,FL+??] start a wikipage on first candidate lectures 
with presenter, scope and target audience

[12:28] [action] [LV] consider moving forward the clarification of which 
technical basis to use


[10:09] anonymous morphed into Sandra

[10:10] anonymous morphed into Robert rovetto


[10:13] FrankLoebe: .
== 0. adoption of agenda ==
agenda adopted

[10:13] FrankLoebe: .
== 1. webinar series: summary of recent discussions (n.44 and Mar 24) ==
      a. distributed responsibility of handling the whole process
      b. scope & format(s): with much liberty
      c. quality assurance
      d. two-stage approach to gathering videos
      e. thoughts on initial webinars

[10:14] FrankLoebe: < LV summarizing results from previous meeting, cf. 
also pre-meeting material >

[10:23] FrankLoebe: LV: on < 1e. > : it may be missing that Maria Keet 
could also be willing to contribute something

[10:23] FrankLoebe: ES, LJ: possibly in combination with existing material

[10:24] FrankLoebe: LV: further we had mentioned the lecturers planned 
for ISAO 2020, i.e.
* Antony Galton
* Nicola Guarino
* someone with a linguistic background


[10:25] LaureVieu: Elisabetta Jezek

[10:26] LaureVieu: Others were shared with the conceptual modelling 
summer school: Giancarlo Guizzardi, Enrico Franconi


[10:30] FrankLoebe: FL: I suggest to distinguish between (1) the 
material that is produced ("Teaching units" = likely videos, in most 
cases) and available in an archived form for self-education and (2) 
webinars/sessions accompanying the presentation of new material (incl. 
creation via live sessions)


[10:31] anonymous1 morphed into Robert Rovetto


[10:32] FrankLoebe: SL: a description of the plans in some form of 
document would be useful

[10:32] FrankLoebe: LV: +1

[10:32] FrankLoebe: FL: yes, not only in the form of minutes

[10:33] FrankLoebe: LV: the wikis may be used for that

[10:36] FrankLoebe: < discussion on test cases of creating accounts, as 
registration doesn't seem to get completed >

[10:37] FrankLoebe: issue: accounts are created, but registrants don't 
get any messages, but error screens (or nothing happens)

[10:37] FrankLoebe: [action] [LV] get in touch with sysadmins to resolve 
the issue

[10:38] FrankLoebe: issue: logging in is not possible, the login request 
appears anew

[10:39] FrankLoebe: < this is item 3. by now >

[10:40] FrankLoebe: LV: registration issue with the public wiki is not 
yet resolved, but there's work in progress

[10:40] FrankLoebe: LV: should be solved in 1-2 weeks (as a test 
mediawiki will be required to try things out)

[10:41] FrankLoebe: .
== 2. webinar series: continue brainstorming ==
      a. expectations & decision-making                            [FL]
      b. integration of existing teaching units?
      c. first program (what who when)
      d. teaching units (TUs) and webinars
         1: distinction as such
         2: technical aspects for TUs
         3: technical aspects for webinars (which host, how to record)
      f. series terminology and acronym

[10:45] FrankLoebe: FL: < explained what he meant by the heading of 2a. >

[10:47] FrankLoebe: LV: two questions on that:
(1) How does it relate to chairing the EduTC as such?
(2) Is this decision-making as problematic as e.g. for writing a 
textbook jointly?

[10:55] FrankLoebe: FL: on (1), I'd continue with the meetings, trying 
to have the series matters first, then additional issues of the EduTC

[11:01] FrankLoebe: < discussion on decision-making in the light of 
having a fuzzy group >

[11:02] FrankLoebe: [action] [LV,FL] setup wiki page with a democratic 
decision procedure that pays attention to sensitively handling contributors

[11:03] FrankLoebe: LJ: we should use a more formal setting for 
decisions on what to include, e.g. setting up a kind of program 
committee for the series

[11:07] FrankLoebe: LV, FL: +1

[11:09] FrankLoebe: LJ: EasyChair could be used for the rieview

[11:12] FrankLoebe: .
=== 2b. integration of existing teaching units? ===


[11:13] anonymous1 morphed into Robert Rovetto


[11:14] FrankLoebe: FL: what do we want between (1) ignoring eveything 
out there, (2) collecting pointers to material and (3) trying to tightly 
integrate it in the series?

[11:18] FrankLoebe: ES: we may ask in the open call whether people have 
material that they would want to submit and see published in the series

[11:20] FrankLoebe: SL: what about "knowledge pills", short videos of 
2-3 min, e.g. on a specific term

[11:22] FrankLoebe: FL: would also be of interest, I think, e.g. for 
audience from industry

[11:22] FrankLoebe: RR: we need to pay attention that not everything can 
be covered in very short videos and other fields may have much more 
detailed views and distinctions (e.g. "Perdurantism" in philosophy)

[11:25] FrankLoebe: LV: +1 & [...]


[11:26] LaureVieu: Here are thoughts regarding infrastructure for 
webinars that might be of interest for us:
https://blog.eyeson.com/every-bit-counts-ebus-webinars-and-virutal-conferences
https://ebuswebinars.wixsite.com/ebuswebinars (edited)


[11:26] FrankLoebe: LV: I think we need to settle infrastructure issues 
before we can move on with the program

[11:27] FrankLoebe: LV: that may be interesting because of its not 
greedy in bandwidth

[11:28] FrankLoebe: LV: I have no experience, if somebody else has that 
would be of interest

[11:29] FrankLoebe: ES: can we use a document to gather thoughts on 
systems and (dis)advantages


[11:33] anonymous morphed into Robert Rovetto


[11:36] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] setup that document with a temporary 
solution for collaborative editing

[11:38] FrankLoebe: .
== 4. next meeting(s) and AOB ==
next meeting in the week of Apr 19, 2021 (in 4 weeks from now)
[action] [FL] Doodle for that week by Mar 29, 2021, decision and 
announcement to be made on Tue, Apr 06

[11:38] FrankLoebe: < session ended 2 min ago >

[11:39] FrankLoebe: .
== participants ==

present:
   LJ  Ludger Jansen
   FL  Frank Loebe
   SL  Sandra Lovrencic
   RR  Robert Rovetto
   ES  Emilio Sanfilippo
   LV  Laure Vieu

< chat transcript ends >

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