From conrad.bock at nist.gov Mon May 4 14:53:43 2015 From: conrad.bock at nist.gov (Bock, Conrad) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 12:53:43 +0000 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] ADTF - Last call for Berlin agenda items Message-ID: FYI. -----Original Message----- From: Elisa Kendall [mailto:ekendall at thematix.com] Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 10:17 PM To: James Odell; A&D TF (OMG) Cc: Ed Seidewitz Subject: Re: ADTF - Last call for Berlin agenda items Hi Jim, There is definitely a planned revised submission for OntoIOp - I'm guessing that other folks on that team are not on the ADTF list, and I wasn't paying attention. Apologies for that :). How much time can we have for that -- is an hour too much? Given that the discussion will cover what they've done with respect to the semantics for UML class diagrams, I think they can certainly fill an hour if that's available. Thanks! Elisa -----Original Message----- From: James Odell [mailto:email at jamesodell.com] Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 3:34 PM To: A&D TF (OMG) Cc: Ed Seidewitz Subject: ADTF - Last call for Berlin agenda items Hi all, It has now been two weeks since I requested agenda items for the upcoming ADTF Berlin meeting. So fat, I have not heard from the submitters for the following submissions: - Semantic Information Modeling for Federation (SIMF) RFP Initial Submission presentation - OntoIOp RFP Revised Submission presentation - Metamodel Extension Facility (MEF) RFP Revised Submission presentation If you intend to make these submissions, we need: 1) a request for agenda time, and 2) the amount of time you would like to present your submission. Please provide this ASAP, so that we can post a proper agenda. The "preliminary agenda content" is posted at http://adtf.omg.org/agenda.htm Thanks. Fatima Dandashi Michael Chonoles James Odell (emeritus) Co-chairs, ADTF From ekendall at thematix.com Mon May 4 16:38:21 2015 From: ekendall at thematix.com (Elisa Kendall) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 07:38:21 -0700 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] ADTF - Last call for Berlin agenda items In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5547845D.4040805@thematix.com> Hi Conrad, Thanks for forwarding this. Till -- I've said that you and Fabian will be presenters, but if that's not right please let me know so that I can send Jim an update on the "who". Also, if you don't need a full hour, please let me know that as well -- I made an assumption, but ... :). Thanks, Elisa On 5/4/2015 5:53 AM, Bock, Conrad wrote: > FYI. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elisa Kendall [mailto:ekendall at thematix.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 10:17 PM > To: James Odell; A&D TF (OMG) > Cc: Ed Seidewitz > Subject: Re: ADTF - Last call for Berlin agenda items > > Hi Jim, > > There is definitely a planned revised submission for OntoIOp - I'm guessing that other folks on that team are not on the ADTF list, and I wasn't paying attention. Apologies for that :). How much time can we have for that -- is an hour too much? Given that the discussion will cover what they've done with respect to the semantics for UML class diagrams, I think they can certainly fill an hour if that's available. > > Thanks! > > Elisa > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Odell [mailto:email at jamesodell.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 3:34 PM > To: A&D TF (OMG) > Cc: Ed Seidewitz > Subject: ADTF - Last call for Berlin agenda items > > Hi all, > > It has now been two weeks since I requested agenda items for the upcoming ADTF Berlin meeting. > So fat, I have not heard from the submitters for the following submissions: > > - Semantic Information Modeling for Federation (SIMF) RFP Initial Submission presentation > > - OntoIOp RFP Revised Submission presentation > > - Metamodel Extension Facility (MEF) RFP Revised Submission presentation > > > If you intend to make these submissions, we need: > > 1) a request for agenda time, and > 2) the amount of time you would like to present your submission. > > > Please provide this ASAP, so that we can post a proper agenda. > The "preliminary agenda content" is posted at http://adtf.omg.org/agenda.htm > Thanks. > > > Fatima Dandashi > Michael Chonoles > James Odell (emeritus) > Co-chairs, ADTF > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de > Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum > Config/Unsubscribe: https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum > Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ > Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org > . > From till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Mon May 4 23:22:46 2015 From: till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Till Mossakowski) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 23:22:46 +0200 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] ADTF - Last call for Berlin agenda items In-Reply-To: <5547845D.4040805@thematix.com> References: <5547845D.4040805@thematix.com> Message-ID: <5547E326.4050103@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Hi Elisa, many thanks, you indeed made very reasonable assumptions. All the best, Till Am 04.05.2015 um 16:38 schrieb Elisa Kendall: > Hi Conrad, > > Thanks for forwarding this. Till -- I've said that you and Fabian > will be presenters, but if that's not right please let me know so that > I can send Jim an update on the "who". Also, if you don't need a full > hour, please let me know that as well -- I made an assumption, but ... > :). > > Thanks, > > Elisa > > On 5/4/2015 5:53 AM, Bock, Conrad wrote: >> FYI. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elisa Kendall [mailto:ekendall at thematix.com] >> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 10:17 PM >> To: James Odell; A&D TF (OMG) >> Cc: Ed Seidewitz >> Subject: Re: ADTF - Last call for Berlin agenda items >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> There is definitely a planned revised submission for OntoIOp - I'm >> guessing that other folks on that team are not on the ADTF list, and >> I wasn't paying attention. Apologies for that :). How much time can >> we have for that -- is an hour too much? Given that the discussion >> will cover what they've done with respect to the semantics for UML >> class diagrams, I think they can certainly fill an hour if that's >> available. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Elisa >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Odell [mailto:email at jamesodell.com] >> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 3:34 PM >> To: A&D TF (OMG) >> Cc: Ed Seidewitz >> Subject: ADTF - Last call for Berlin agenda items >> >> Hi all, >> >> It has now been two weeks since I requested agenda items for the >> upcoming ADTF Berlin meeting. >> So fat, I have not heard from the submitters for the following >> submissions: >> >> - Semantic Information Modeling for Federation (SIMF) RFP Initial >> Submission presentation >> >> - OntoIOp RFP Revised Submission presentation >> >> - Metamodel Extension Facility (MEF) RFP Revised Submission presentation >> >> >> If you intend to make these submissions, we need: >> >> 1) a request for agenda time, and >> 2) the amount of time you would like to present your submission. >> >> >> Please provide this ASAP, so that we can post a proper agenda. >> The "preliminary agenda content" is posted at >> http://adtf.omg.org/agenda.htm >> Thanks. >> >> >> Fatima Dandashi >> Michael Chonoles >> James Odell (emeritus) >> Co-chairs, ADTF >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de >> Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum >> Config/Unsubscribe: >> https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum >> Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ >> Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org >> . >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de > Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum > Config/Unsubscribe: > https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum > Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ > Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org From till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Fri May 8 10:58:58 2015 From: till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Till Mossakowski) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 10:58:58 +0200 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] OntoIOp teleconference (n.76): Mon 2015.05.11 - please work on your OntoIOp issues! Message-ID: <554C7AD2.2000404@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Dear all, on Monday we have the next biweekly OntoIOp telcon. The topics are: - revision of the submission - open issues at https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues Please work on your issues. The internal deadline is on Monday, May 11, and the OMG deadline is onw week later (but we will need time for proof reading). So in order to produce a good final version, we now have to make a joint effort and close the remaining issues. Here is the list of people and their issues: Christoph Lange: 5 Alexander Knapp: 1 Conrad Bock: 1 (proof-reading after May 11) Fabian Neuhaus: 6 Gabriel Campero: 1 Stephan G?nther: 3 Michael Gr?ninger: 4 Raj Katragadda: 1 Terry Longstreth : 1 (proof-reading after May 11) Maria Hedblom: 1 Mihai Codescu: 2 Martin Glauer: 2 Maria Keet: 1 Oliver Kutz: 6 Yazmin Ybanez: 2 Till Mossakowski: 20 If you are not on the list but want to help, please contact me. The deadline for the official submission of the final version to OMG is Monday May 18. The finval version will be discussed at the OMG meeting in Berlin, June 15-19. All the best, Till = OntoIOp team-confcall (n.76) - Mon 2015.05.11 = * start-time: 8:00am PDT / 11:00 am EDT / 4:00pm GMT / 5:00pm CEST / 5:00pm SAST / 12:00pm KST / 16:00 UTC ** ref. world clock - http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=5&day=11&year=2015&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 * Duration: 1~1.5 Hrs. * chat-workspace: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontoiop_20150511 Remarks: * the session may be recorded for archival purposes. 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(--CLange) Talk to you all then! _________________________________________________________________ To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum Config/Unsubscribe: https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org _________________________________________________________________ To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum Config/Unsubscribe: https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org From till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Mon May 11 18:12:34 2015 From: till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Till Mossakowski) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 18:12:34 +0200 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] ontoiop_20150511: Chat Transcript Message-ID: <5550D4F2.7090201@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> *Please work on your issues! see ***https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues.* Find pragmatic solutions, finalise them soon. Please start proofreading the document, to be found at https://github.com/tillmo/DOL Next telco: Monday May 18, ONLY for last editoral issues (all github issues need to be solved sooner!) Till Chat transcript from room: ontoiop_20150511* *2015-05-11 GMT-08:00* *[07:51] *anonymous morphed into Raj *[08:00] **TillMossakowski: *issues in milestone "final submission" + issue in milestone "proofreading" (closed issues) Till 6+2 (30) Fabian 6+1 (16) Oliver 6+0 Christoph 5+0 (12) Michael 4+0 Mihai 2+0 (8) Martin 2+0 Stephan 2+0 Alexander 1+0 Raj 1+0 Maria 1+0 Terry 0+1 Conrad 0+1 *[08:05] **ChristophLange1: *Hi, I'm back to OntoIOp and catching up with things, but will have to define strict priorities. I'm afraid I will not get everything done, but I believe some of my issues were about rather "speculative" features of DOL. *[08:05] **TerryLongstreth: *Sorry, I accidently hung up *[08:06] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22final+submission+to+OMG%22+assignee%3Atillmo *[08:07] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22final+submission+to+OMG%22+assignee%3Afabianneuhaus *[08:10] **TillMossakowski: *> For the RDF vocabulary for describing registry entries we want to use namespace URIs. Since DOL is (hopefully) going to be an OMG standard, it seems that we probably should use some OMG names space. E.g., www.omg.org/dol something along these lines. Is there an OMG policy on the issue? see example here: http://www.omg.org/spec/DMN/ so the spec itself would be http://www.omg.org/spec/DOL/ while machine-readables would be at a location similar to http://www.omg.org/spec/DMN/20141115/dmn.xmi i.e http://www.omg.org/spec/DOL/20150501/ each machine readable must be listed in the submission inventory file *[08:12] **TillMossakowski: *(Jrgen's answer to Fabian) *[08:13] *anonymous1 morphed into ConradBock *[08:14] **ChristophLange1: *What I have in mind is that, e.g. http://www.omg.org/spec/DOL/vocab (the canonical namespace URL) could, in the _current_ version of the URL, redirect to http://www.omg.org/spec/DOL/20150501/vocab.rdf. *[08:14] **ConradBock: *Im on the chat. Can call in if there are OMG/UML questions. *[08:14] **ChristophLange1: *and then the term "Logic" in this vocabulary would have a URI such as http://www.omg.org/spec/DOL/vocab#Logic *[08:15] **FabianNeuhaus: *Conrad: could you call in? *[08:15] **ConradBock: *Yes. *[08:16] **ConradBock: *I'm on the call. *[08:16] **TillMossakowski: *Christoph: we could make the RDF vocabulary for logics and mappings (the LoLa ontology) part of the standard, available at http://www.omg.org/spec/DOL/ *[08:17] **TillMossakowski: *Christoph: for other parts of the registry, we might use a community URL *[08:18] **TillMossakowski: *also OWL files can be put at omg.org, e.g. http://www.omg.org/spec/DTV/20121201/sbvr.owl *[08:21] **TillMossakowski: *Fabian: Suggestion: we just put the XMIs and the LoLa ontology at http://www.omg.org/spec/DOL/, while everything else is hosted at purl.net/DOL. Let us see if OMG accepts that. *[08:23] *anonymous morphed into StephanGuenther *[08:23] **TillMossakowski: *The submission will contain 1 PDF (the standard), 9 XMIs (the abstract syntax in MOF), and 1 OWL (the LoLa ontology). *[08:24] **FabianNeuhaus: *@Till, thank you. *[08:24] **TillMossakowski: *we are now discussing https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/97 *[08:25] **ChristophLange1: *http://www.omg.org/spec/DOL/20150501/lola.owl *[08:26] **ChristophLange1: *would this be _the_ URL of the implementation of LoLa (i.e. Annex A)? *[08:26] **ChristophLange1: *http://www.omg.org/spec/DOL/lola#Logic *[08:26] **TillMossakowski: *but LoLa is currently being maintained in https://ontohub.org/meta/lola/ontology/dol-rdf.omn *[08:29] **TerryLongstreth: *One URL that always points to all components *[08:30] **TillMossakowski: *See http://www.omg.org/spec/UML/ "The current version is found at http://www.omg.org/spec/UML/Current" *[08:34] **StephanGuenther: *afk, brb *[08:36] **TillMossakowski: *so, http://www.omg.org/spec/DOL/LoLa/Current would be our preferred choice *[08:36] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+assignee%3Aclange+milestone%3A%22final+submission+to+OMG%22 *[08:36] **StephanGuenther: *bk *[08:38] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/87 *[08:40] **ChristophLange1: *For quick clarifications, my Skype ID is "duke4701". *[08:45] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/assigned/mcodescu *[08:47] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/assigned/gnn *[08:48] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/85 *[08:49] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/86 *[08:56] **TillMossakowski: *please work on your issues! *[08:56] **TillMossakowski: *next meeting, for discussing last edits, in one week *[08:57] **TillMossakowski: *any substantial things should be completed by then! *[09:00] **ChristophLange1: *@StephanGuenther if you like we can have a short Skype call about https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/86 now *[09:02] *List of attendees: ChristophLange, ConradBock, FabianNeuhaus, MihaiCodescu, Raj, StephanGuenther, TerryLongstreth, TillMossakowski -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Wed May 13 11:39:43 2015 From: till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Till Mossakowski) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 11:39:43 +0200 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] Proofreading chapter 7 Message-ID: <55531BDF.3070707@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Dear all, I just have substantially revised chapter 7. So if you plan to read it, please download the latest version at: https://github.com/tillmo/DOL All the best, Till From ikiyong at gmail.com Wed May 13 13:13:34 2015 From: ikiyong at gmail.com (Kiyong Lee) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:13:34 +0900 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] Proofreading chapter 7 In-Reply-To: <55531BDF.3070707@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <55531BDF.3070707@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: Dear Till, I quickly noticed the occurrence of the defining symbol "::=" of BNF all over the current (2015-05-13) version of DOL that you just circulated for proofreading. I understand that this symbol is replaced by the equal sign "=" in eBNF (ISO 1996) because the symobl "::=" is used in some (object) languages. I may be totatlly wrong, but please check this. I haven't checked other differences between BNF and Extended BNF, though. Best regards, Kiyong >From Kiyong Lee ISO/TC 37/SC 4/WG 2 convenor and Secretariat support Professor emeritus, Korea University ikiyong at gmail.com (primary), klee at korea.ac.kr Mobile: +82-(0)10-5-234-6256 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Till Mossakowski < till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> wrote: > Dear all, > > I just have substantially revised chapter 7. So if you plan to read it, > please download the latest version at: > https://github.com/tillmo/DOL > > All the best, > Till > > _________________________________________________________________ > To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de > Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum > Config/Unsubscribe: > https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum > Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ > Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Wed May 13 13:15:44 2015 From: till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Till Mossakowski) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 13:15:44 +0200 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] Proofreading chapter 7 In-Reply-To: References: <55531BDF.3070707@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: <55533260.1060303@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Dear Kiyong, yes, that is true. We have departed from ISO 1996, because its syntax is clumsy and not well readable (especially because of the many commas), and is practically not used. Instead, we use a variant of EBNF that is popular. Note that also "=" is used in object languages. Best, Till Am 13.05.2015 um 13:13 schrieb Kiyong Lee: > Dear Till, > I quickly noticed the occurrence of the defining symbol "::=" of BNF > all over the current (2015-05-13) version of DOL that you just > circulated for proofreading. I understand that this symbol is replaced > by the equal sign "=" in eBNF (ISO 1996) because the symobl "::=" is > used in some (object) languages. > I may be totatlly wrong, but please check this. I haven't checked > other differences between BNF and Extended BNF, though. > Best regards, > Kiyong > > > From Kiyong Lee > ISO/TC 37/SC 4/WG 2 convenor and Secretariat support > Professor emeritus, Korea University > ikiyong at gmail.com (primary), > klee at korea.ac.kr > Mobile: +82-(0)10-5-234-6256 > > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Till Mossakowski > > > wrote: > > Dear all, > > I just have substantially revised chapter 7. So if you plan to > read it, please download the latest version at: > https://github.com/tillmo/DOL > > All the best, > Till > > _________________________________________________________________ > To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de > Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum > Config/Unsubscribe: > https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum > Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ > Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de > Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum > Config/Unsubscribe: https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum > Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ > Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ikiyong at gmail.com Wed May 13 13:50:21 2015 From: ikiyong at gmail.com (Kiyong Lee) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:50:21 +0900 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] Proofreading chapter 7 In-Reply-To: <55533260.1060303@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <55531BDF.3070707@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <55533260.1060303@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: Dear Till, Yes, you're right. The equal sign "=" is also used in object languages all over. Can you give me a reference to EBNF that you have adopted, for I have followed ISO's ebnf (1996) in producing ISO 24617-7:2014 ISOspace for the annotation of (motion-involved) spatial information in a language. Thanks in advance, Kiyong >From Kiyong Lee ISO/TC 37/SC 4/WG 2 convenor and Secretariat support Professor emeritus, Korea University ikiyong at gmail.com (primary), klee at korea.ac.kr Mobile: +82-(0)10-5-234-6256 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Till Mossakowski < till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> wrote: > Dear Kiyong, > > yes, that is true. We have departed from ISO 1996, because its syntax is > clumsy and not well readable (especially because of the many commas), and > is practically not used. Instead, we use a variant of EBNF that is popular. > Note that also "=" is used in object languages. > > Best, Till > > Am 13.05.2015 um 13:13 schrieb Kiyong Lee: > > Dear Till, > I quickly noticed the occurrence of the defining symbol "::=" of BNF all > over the current (2015-05-13) version of DOL that you just circulated for > proofreading. I understand that this symbol is replaced by the equal sign > "=" in eBNF (ISO 1996) because the symobl "::=" is used in some (object) > languages. > I may be totatlly wrong, but please check this. I haven't checked other > differences between BNF and Extended BNF, though. > Best regards, > Kiyong > > > From Kiyong Lee > ISO/TC 37/SC 4/WG 2 convenor and Secretariat support > Professor emeritus, Korea University > ikiyong at gmail.com (primary), klee at korea.ac.kr > Mobile: +82-(0)10-5-234-6256 > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Till Mossakowski < > till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I just have substantially revised chapter 7. So if you plan to read it, >> please download the latest version at: >> https://github.com/tillmo/DOL >> >> All the best, >> Till >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de >> Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum >> Config/Unsubscribe: >> https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum >> Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ >> Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de > Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum > Config/Unsubscribe: https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum > Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ > Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de > Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum > Config/Unsubscribe: > https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum > Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ > Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sowa at bestweb.net Wed May 13 17:30:46 2015 From: sowa at bestweb.net (John F Sowa) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 11:30:46 -0400 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] Proofreading chapter 7 In-Reply-To: <55533260.1060303@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <55531BDF.3070707@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <55533260.1060303@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: <55536E26.2030201@bestweb.net> Till, The DOL standard is developing very nicely. I haven't been participating in the telecons because I've been tied up with many other projects, but I find it very impressive. However, I'd just like to comment on the following point: > We have departed from ISO 1996, because its syntax is clumsy and > not well readable (especially because of the many commas) Everybody who has ever written a grammar of any complexity has a version of EBNF that they prefer. They all have a large common overlap, but they all differ in enough details to make them incompatible. When I first started to use ISO EBNF, I also found the commas annoying. But I came to appreciate the generality and flexibility. There's good reason for the ISO slogan: "Standards should be built on top of other standards." John From terry.longstreth at comcast.net Fri May 15 07:27:31 2015 From: terry.longstreth at comcast.net (terry.longstreth) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 01:27:31 -0400 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] Proofreading chapter 7 In-Reply-To: <55531BDF.3070707@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <55531BDF.3070707@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: <555583C3.6080004@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BaseBusinessLongstrethMinChar.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 11118 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm still working on the > other 4 sections (in the previous days version), but since we've been > over them several times, it seemed best to tackle this one first. > > Terry > > > > On 5/13/2015 5:39 AM, Till Mossakowski wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I just have substantially revised chapter 7. 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The final version will be discussed at the OMG meeting in Berlin, June 15-19. All the best, Till = OntoIOp team-confcall (n.77) - Mon 2015.05.18 = * start-time: 8:00am PDT / 11:00 am EDT / 4:00pm GMT / 5:00pm CEST / 5:00pm SAST / 12:00pm KST / 16:00 UTC ** ref. world clock - http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=5&day=18&year=2015&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 * Duration: 1~1.5 Hrs. * chat-workspace: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontoiop_20150518 Remarks: * the session may be recorded for archival purposes. 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(--CLange) Talk to you all then! _________________________________________________________________ To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum Config/Unsubscribe: https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org _________________________________________________________________ To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum Config/Unsubscribe: https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org _________________________________________________________________ To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum Config/Unsubscribe: https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org From till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Sun May 17 19:32:51 2015 From: till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Till Mossakowski) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 19:32:51 +0200 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] Final stab at proofreading - sections 1 and 4 (was Proofreading chapter 7) In-Reply-To: <5558C35D.9090604@comcast.net> References: <55531BDF.3070707@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <555583C3.6080004@comcast.net> <55566765.2000900@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <5558C35D.9090604@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5558D0C3.40208@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Many thanks, Terry. I have incorporated most of your comments and closed the issue. I have not incorporated the change of "DOL is a language for distributed knowledge representation, system specification and model-driven development across multiple OMS, particularly OMS that have been formalized in different OMS languages." into "DOL is a tool for managing and manipulating distributed knowledge representations, system specifications, and model-driven design/development artifacts among multiple OMS, particularly...'', because, I think DOL is not a tool, but a language. Hence, also "manipulating" does not fit. Best, Till Am 17.05.2015 um 18:35 schrieb terry.longstreth: > Dear Till > I've completed my review of Sections 1 and 4 and attached a PDF with > the pertinent annotation. > I also reviewed Section 8 but found no significant editorial issues. > > If you run out of time for incorporating them, none of these would be > critical to an OMG review, but we could save them for later discussions. > > Regards, > Terry > > On 5/15/2015 5:38 PM, Till Mossakowski wrote: >> Dear Terry, >> >> many thanks indeed! >> I have revised the document accordingly. >> >> Best, Till >> >> Am 15.05.2015 um 07:27 schrieb terry.longstreth: >>> >>> I've annotated the attached copy of the PDF (Chapter 7 only ) with >>> several editorial comments/suggestions. 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Semantic Publishing Challenge: Assessing the Quality of Scientific Output ESWC, 31 May?4 June 2014, Portoro?, Slovenia. https://tinyurl.com/SPChallenge15 Submission deadline 27 March (abstracts: 20 March) From till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Mon May 18 12:53:12 2015 From: till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Till Mossakowski) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 12:53:12 +0200 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] =?utf-8?q?I_will_only_be_able_to_do_my_Annex_A_wo?= =?utf-8?q?rk_in_the_afternoon_=E2=80=93_OK=3F?= In-Reply-To: <5559C1D5.2060507@gmail.com> References: <5559C1D5.2060507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5559C498.10800@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Hi Christoph, the deadline is today, so let's target at 12a.m. CEST. In principle, we could also use EDT or even PDT, but I do not want to take the risk of introducing errors due to night work... Best, Till Am 18.05.2015 um 12:41 schrieb Christoph LANGE: > Hi all, > > I'm aware of my remaining Annex A tasks but will only be able to do > them this afternoon. As I'm travelling I can't exactly predict when I > will be back online, maybe only around 6/7/8. I will thus also miss > the telco. At what time is the exact deadline? > > Cheers, > > Christoph > From fneuhaus at web.de Mon May 18 13:23:37 2015 From: fneuhaus at web.de (Fabian Neuhaus) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 13:23:37 +0200 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] =?utf-8?q?I_will_only_be_able_to_do_my_Annex_A_wo?= =?utf-8?q?rk_in_the_afternoon_=E2=80=93_OK=3F?= In-Reply-To: <5559C498.10800@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <5559C1D5.2060507@gmail.com> <5559C498.10800@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: <5559CBB9.5080905@web.de> Christoph, Till, The hard deadline is 5pm Eastern, that is 23:00 European. Since I prefer to get feedback from J?rgen before the deadline is over (just in case we made an error), I strongly suggest that we target 4pm. Fabian Am 18/05/15 um 12:53 schrieb Till Mossakowski: > Hi Christoph, > > the deadline is today, so let's target at 12a.m. CEST. > In principle, we could also use EDT or even PDT, but I do not want to > take the risk of introducing errors due to night work... > > Best, Till > > Am 18.05.2015 um 12:41 schrieb Christoph LANGE: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm aware of my remaining Annex A tasks but will only be able to do >> them this afternoon. As I'm travelling I can't exactly predict when >> I will be back online, maybe only around 6/7/8. I will thus also >> miss the telco. At what time is the exact deadline? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Christoph >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To Post: mailto:ontoiop-forum at ovgu.de > Message Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/ontoiop-forum > Config/Unsubscribe: > https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/ontoiop-forum > Community Files (open): http://interop.cim3.net/file/pub/OntoIOp/ > Community Wiki: http://ontoiop.org From till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Mon May 18 17:42:58 2015 From: till at iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Till Mossakowski) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 17:42:58 +0200 Subject: [ontoiop-forum] ontoiop_20150518: Chat Transcript Message-ID: <555A0882.1060900@iws.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> *Chat transcript from room: ontoiop_20150518* *2015-05-18 GMT-08:00* *[07:52] *anonymous morphed into Raj *[08:01] **TerryLongstreth: *Till - I went through the open issues list, and couldn't find any that I could help on. *[08:01] **TillMossakowski: *understood -except maybe for proofreading some more chapters? *[08:04] **TillMossakowski: *I just have put 0.94 online *[08:05] **TillMossakowski: *online at https://github.com/tillmo *[08:05] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/150 *[08:07] **FabianNeuhaus: *I was kicked out of the conference. Anybody else has the same problem? *[08:08] **TillMossakowski: *sorry, my fault *[08:08] **TillMossakowski: *should work again *[08:08] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/106 *[08:09] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/92 *[08:12] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/83 *[08:13] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/57 *[08:18] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/53 *[08:20] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/151 *[08:20] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/129 *[08:23] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/97 *[08:24] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/65 *[08:26] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/56 *[08:27] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/37 *[08:28] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/17 *[08:28] **TillMossakowski: *https://github.com/tillmo/DOL/issues/10 *[08:39] **TerryLongstreth: *Reconvene at 3:30 EDT in US *[08:41] **TillMossakowski: *next meeting TODAY 9:30pm CEST, 3:30pm EDT, 12:30 pm PDT *[08:41] *List of attendees: FabianNeuhaus, MihaiCodescu, OliverKutz, Raj, TerryLongstreth, TillMossakowski -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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