From vieu at irit.fr  Mon Dec  3 19:04:00 2018
From: vieu at irit.fr (Laure Vieu)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 19:04:00 +0100
Subject: [iaoa-infrastructure] IAOA mailing list: request change email
In-Reply-To: <5C055E41.3080701@gmail.com>
References: <5C055E41.3080701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c37459ad-587e-60bd-2951-f20c2574fd54@irit.fr>

Hi all,

the message below rises an issue that we should address.

when someone changes the email on the WP account, we need to implement
something so that

- the email in the DB be changed as well
- the email in the mailing list be changed as well

I do not know what are the possibilities of complex scripts to make it
fully automatic, but here are two minimal approaches which I hope are
implementable:

1- automatically send a message (at least to
membership-officer at iaoa.org) when the email change is made on WP.

2- install a plugin to use a "front-end" profile page, where to write in
a conspicuous way that after changing the email it is necessary for the
user to send a message to the membership officer.

perhaps the front-end profile page in 2 is a nice thing to have anyway
in addition to 1 but for the moment we could stay with 1 if implementable.

does someone know if 1 is feasible?

I have found this plugin
https://betternotificationsforwp.com/
that could be used, but it is not clear.
perhaps a non-free add-on (cost £59) is needed, see:
https://wordpress.org/support/topic/user-email-changed-for-admin/
however, looking at the documentation, it doesn't seem to really address
our need. I will now post a question.

Laure


-------- Message transféré --------
Sujet : 	IAOA mailing list: request change email
Date : 	Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:48:01 +0100
De : 	IAOA Membership_officer <iaoa.mofficer at gmail.com>
Répondre à : 	membership-officer at iaoa.org
Organisation : 	iaoa
Pour : 	Todd Schneider <tsch at engsem.net>
Copie à : 	info at iaoa.org



Dear Todd,

unfortunately the email in the IAOA member area is not automatically
copied in the mailing list.

Frank is in charge of the management of the IAOA mailing lists, I put
him in cc: (you can contact him by using
info at iaoa.org)

sorry for that
best regards
--Claudio 


On 12/3/18 4:22 PM, Todd Schneider wrote:
> Claudio,
>
> I've changed my email address on the IAOA website at the end of
> November 2018, put I am
> still receiving emails at my old email address.
>
> Who should I contact to make a change in the IAOA email lists?
>
> Old Email: tjschneider at covad.net
> *New Email: tsch at engsem.net*
>
> Thank you.
>
> Todd Schneider
> P.S. Ken changed the email address used by WordPress.
>  


From vieu at irit.fr  Mon Dec  3 19:47:21 2018
From: vieu at irit.fr (Laure Vieu)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 19:47:21 +0100
Subject: [iaoa-infrastructure] validated but not member?
Message-ID: <350e954f-7129-218e-0481-16712d967fc1@irit.fr>

Hi Claudio,

Have you already validated Todd Schneider?

If yes, then the issue spotted in two occasions before is now repeating:
This user doesn't have the "member" tag, and is unable to access the
member's area.

NB: from my memory, previous cases where Stefano Borgo and Carmen Chui.

Please confirm, and I will add manually the member tag, but we also need
to investigate why this tag member is missing.

I'm afraid Ken needs to have a look at that.

Laure


From vieu at irit.fr  Mon Dec  3 19:58:38 2018
From: vieu at irit.fr (Laure Vieu)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 19:58:38 +0100
Subject: [iaoa-infrastructure] again on IAOA mailing list: request change
 email
In-Reply-To: <03d9e1965bbe72f05d2f0588ea339031@iaoa.org>
References: <03d9e1965bbe72f05d2f0588ea339031@iaoa.org>
Message-ID: <eecf07e1-8514-0625-bb2b-2decad220e22@irit.fr>

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From vieu at irit.fr  Mon Dec  3 20:10:29 2018
From: vieu at irit.fr (Laure Vieu)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 20:10:29 +0100
Subject: [iaoa-infrastructure] additional notifications?
Message-ID: <78c83f5a-b6bf-32e8-5182-c786816fe8c1@irit.fr>

Sorry to spam you.

I was wondering whether we could add other useful notifications, in
particular when a user deletes his/her account.

Here is the list of possible triggers about users:

User:

    User registered notification
    User profile updated notification
    User logged in notification
    User failed to log in notification
    User logged out notification
    User password reset request notification
    User password changed notification
    User deleted notification


There are other triggers, relevant for other purposes than managing the
membership. For the record, here there are:

WordPress:

    Available updates – sent as often as you set them, ie. every week

Post Type:

    Published post notification
    Post added to database notification
    Post drafted (saved as a draft) notification
    Updated post notification
    Post send for review (pending post) notification
    Post moved to trash notification

The Notification plugin supports any Custom Post Type out of the box.

Taxonomy terms:

    Taxonomy term created notification
    Taxonomy term updated notification
    Taxonomy term deleted notification

The Notification plugin supports any Taxonomy out of the box.

Comment / Pingback / Trackback:

    New comment notification
    Comment replied notification
    Comment approved notification
    Comment unapproved notification
    Comment marked as spam notification
    Comment moved to trash notification

Media:

    Media added notification
    Media updated notification
    Media deleted notification

From vieu at irit.fr  Tue Dec  4 10:58:07 2018
From: vieu at irit.fr (Laure Vieu)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:58:07 +0100
Subject: [iaoa-infrastructure] again on IAOA mailing list: request
 change email
In-Reply-To: <5C064C26.8080706@gmail.com>
References: <03d9e1965bbe72f05d2f0588ea339031@iaoa.org>
 <eecf07e1-8514-0625-bb2b-2decad220e22@irit.fr> <5C064C26.8080706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c86fac4-2dab-8a17-c3d2-58063ce61a0f@irit.fr>

thanks for this feedback.

Good. Let's see if it also reaches Frank.

regarding your comments, no you do not need to look at the profile.

as I tried to write in the message "(data included in this message is
after the change)", the data sent is the resulting data, so the email
shown is the potentially the new one, if the member changed it.

of course, one doesn't know if indeed the change has been the email.
but you can use the manager / phpmyadmin to compare it with the email in
the DB, and if different, update it.

potentially there might be many irrelevant changes being notified, but
let's see what happens.

NB: I've just added the tag "member" to Tod Schneider, and see that even
admin changes not done by the user generate this notification, so I
suggest that any admin doing any such change inform mofficer to avoid
unnecessary action.

I will now update the notification to remove my own testing email from it.
I will also add a notification for deleted user, informing secretary and
mofficer.

Laure


Le 04/12/2018 à 10:43, IAOA Membership_officer a écrit :
> Hi Laure,
> 
> yes the notification email arrived at iaoa.mofficer at gmail.com
> 
> the problems I see are:
> 
> (1) one needs to look at the profile of the member after every update
> (even though the update does not impact the email), if members do not
> often update their profile this is ok, otherwise... but we can test in
> this way and see what happens
> 
> (2) it is not clear to me how I can understand if the email has been
> updated, i.e., I'm not sure the system shows the old and the new email.
> Do we need to take track of the emails of the members. Maybe on can uses
> the email in the mailing list, but this means that one needs to access
> the mailing list and the administration manager to understand if the
> email has been changed
> 
> ciao
> --Claudio
> 
> On 12/3/18 7:58 PM, Laure Vieu wrote:
>>
>> Hi Claudio, hi Frank (hi all).
>>
>> I might have solved the issue already. The plugin suggested did not
>> have that possibility (got a negative reply), but I have found another
>> plugin (Notifications) that is able to send a message when a user
>> profile is updated. Of course, this will catch any change, not just an
>> email change.
>>
>> I have installed it, and it works. It should have sent the
>> notification below to membership-officer at iaoa.org (in addition to test
>> address laurevieu at gmail.com).
>>
>> Please confirm you have received it both, as I assume the secretary
>> gets the forward.
>>
>> If so, please tell me if this sort of message is enough for handling
>> the email changes.
>>
>> Best
>> Laure
>>
>> -------- Message transféré --------
>> Sujet : 	[IAOA-website-notification] User profile updated
>> Date : 	Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:49:37 +0000
>> De : 	WordPress <wordpress at iaoa.org>
>> Pour : 	laurevieu at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> The user Laure Vieu, with email vieu at irit.fr, login vieu, and role
>> Administrator, has updated his/her profile on the website at December
>> 3, 2018 6:49 pm.
>>
>> (data included in this message is after the change)
>>
>> Please check whether this is an email change that needs to be
>> propagated to the DB and the mailing list.
>>
> 

From vieu at irit.fr  Tue Dec  4 11:43:25 2018
From: vieu at irit.fr (Laure Vieu)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:43:25 +0100
Subject: [iaoa-infrastructure] Bug to be fixed: validating doesn't always
 the tag "member" (was: Re: validated but not member?)
In-Reply-To: <5C064A12.30606@gmail.com>
References: <350e954f-7129-218e-0481-16712d967fc1@irit.fr>
 <5C064A12.30606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01afeba9-f750-cb7c-0a7c-e162269cbf5d@irit.fr>

OK thanks.

This means we indeed have another task on our plate:

identifying the bug "validating doesn't always add the tag member" and
fixing it.
not an easy thing since this bug doesn't show up systematically :-(

in addition, this is code written by Ken, so the first candidate to look
into that matter obviously is Ken.
*Ken*, could you please tell us if you can take on this task?

I suggest that till the bug is not fixed Claudio be set as admin in the
website so that he can check the profiles and fix the missing tag.
I have updated his profile now.
(Claudio: I'll give you a quick tutorial)

Laure



Le 04/12/2018 à 10:34, IAOA Membership_officer a écrit :
> yes, Todd has been validated
> 
> I copy here the message generated by the system
> [note that the Todd changed the email]
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	IAOA (Subscription, Payment Validation)
> Date: 	Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:02:04 +0000 (UTC)
> From: 	www-data at iaoa.org
> Reply-To: 	membership-officer at iaoa.org
> To: 	tjschneider at covad.net
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Todd Schneider
> 
> Thank you very much for your membership to IAOA.
> This message is to confirm that your payment has been successfully
> processed and that, where applicable, the necessary documents have been
> received.
> 
> Your access to the member's area is now granted until 2019-11-16.
> To access the member's area, you will need to login using 
> your email address: tjschneider at covad.net on the page
> https://iaoa.org/index.php/member-area/
> 
> If you access your account for the first time or do not remember your
> password, you can (re)set your password by clicking on the Lost your
> password? link when you try to login.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/3/18 7:47 PM, Laure Vieu wrote:
>> Hi Claudio,
>>
>> Have you already validated Todd Schneider?
>>
>> If yes, then the issue spotted in two occasions before is now repeating:
>> This user doesn't have the "member" tag, and is unable to access the
>> member's area.
>>
>> NB: from my memory, previous cases where Stefano Borgo and Carmen Chui.
>>
>> Please confirm, and I will add manually the member tag, but we also need
>> to investigate why this tag member is missing.
>>
>> I'm afraid Ken needs to have a look at that.
>>
>> Laure
>>
> 

From iaoa.mofficer at gmail.com  Tue Dec  4 10:34:10 2018
From: iaoa.mofficer at gmail.com (IAOA Membership_officer)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:34:10 +0100
Subject: [iaoa-infrastructure] validated but not member?
In-Reply-To: <350e954f-7129-218e-0481-16712d967fc1@irit.fr>
References: <350e954f-7129-218e-0481-16712d967fc1@irit.fr>
Message-ID: <5C064A12.30606@gmail.com>

yes, Todd has been validated

I copy here the message generated by the system
[note that the Todd changed the email]

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	IAOA (Subscription, Payment Validation)
Date: 	Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:02:04 +0000 (UTC)
From: 	www-data at iaoa.org
Reply-To: 	membership-officer at iaoa.org
To: 	tjschneider at covad.net



Dear Todd Schneider

Thank you very much for your membership to IAOA.
This message is to confirm that your payment has been successfully
processed and that, where applicable, the necessary documents have been
received.

Your access to the member's area is now granted until 2019-11-16.
To access the member's area, you will need to login using
your email address: tjschneider at covad.net on the page
https://iaoa.org/index.php/member-area/

If you access your account for the first time or do not remember your
password, you can (re)set your password by clicking on the Lost your
password? link when you try to login.




On 12/3/18 7:47 PM, Laure Vieu wrote:
> Hi Claudio,
>
> Have you already validated Todd Schneider?
>
> If yes, then the issue spotted in two occasions before is now repeating:
> This user doesn't have the "member" tag, and is unable to access the
> member's area.
>
> NB: from my memory, previous cases where Stefano Borgo and Carmen Chui.
>
> Please confirm, and I will add manually the member tag, but we also need
> to investigate why this tag member is missing.
>
> I'm afraid Ken needs to have a look at that.
>
> Laure
>

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From iaoa.mofficer at gmail.com  Tue Dec  4 10:43:02 2018
From: iaoa.mofficer at gmail.com (IAOA Membership_officer)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:43:02 +0100
Subject: [iaoa-infrastructure] again on IAOA mailing list: request
 change email
In-Reply-To: <eecf07e1-8514-0625-bb2b-2decad220e22@irit.fr>
References: <03d9e1965bbe72f05d2f0588ea339031@iaoa.org>
 <eecf07e1-8514-0625-bb2b-2decad220e22@irit.fr>
Message-ID: <5C064C26.8080706@gmail.com>

Hi Laure,

yes the notification email arrived at iaoa.mofficer at gmail.com

the problems I see are:

(1) one needs to look at the profile of the member after every update 
(even though the update does not impact the email), if members do not 
often update their profile this is ok, otherwise... but we can test in 
this way and see what happens

(2) it is not clear to me how I can understand if the email has been 
updated, i.e., I'm not sure the system shows the old and the new email. 
Do we need to take track of the emails of the members. Maybe on can uses 
the email in the mailing list, but this means that one needs to access 
the mailing list and the administration manager to understand if the 
email has been changed

ciao
--Claudio

On 12/3/18 7:58 PM, Laure Vieu wrote:
>
> Hi Claudio, hi Frank (hi all).
>
> I might have solved the issue already. The plugin suggested did not 
> have that possibility (got a negative reply), but I have found another 
> plugin (Notifications) that is able to send a message when a user 
> profile is updated. Of course, this will catch any change, not just an 
> email change.
>
> I have installed it, and it works. It should have sent the 
> notification below to membership-officer at iaoa.org (in addition to test 
> address laurevieu at gmail.com).
>
> Please confirm you have received it both, as I assume the secretary 
> gets the forward.
>
> If so, please tell me if this sort of message is enough for handling 
> the email changes.
>
> Best
> Laure
>
> -------- Message transféré --------
> Sujet : 	[IAOA-website-notification] User profile updated
> Date : 	Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:49:37 +0000
> De : 	WordPress <wordpress at iaoa.org>
> Pour : 	laurevieu at gmail.com
>
>
>
> The user Laure Vieu, with email vieu at irit.fr, login vieu, and role 
> Administrator, has updated his/her profile on the website at December 
> 3, 2018 6:49 pm.
>
> (data included in this message is after the change)
>
> Please check whether this is an email change that needs to be 
> propagated to the DB and the mailing list.
>

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