From tsch at engsem.net Wed Nov 6 16:58:09 2019 From: tsch at engsem.net (Todd Schneider) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:58:09 -0500 Subject: [iaoa-education] 43nd Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - 6 November 2019 In-Reply-To: <7cb0ae7e-7fd6-dd59-0cfa-fe1c367cd521@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> References: <7cb0ae7e-7fd6-dd59-0cfa-fe1c367cd521@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> Message-ID: The 43rd meeting of IAOA Education Committee was held today Wednesday, 6 November 2019. There was no formal agenda. We reviewed the agenda and notes from last month's meeting (below). In attendance: Kenneth Baclawski Sandra Lovrencic Stefan Schultz Todd Schneider Below are notes from today's meeting. Further below is the chat transcript from the 9 October 2019 meeting. *[10:15] **ToddSchneider:* Kenneth needs the raw text from the current Education wiki. *[10:15] **ToddSchneider:* Ask Maria to sent this to Kenneth. *[10:16] **ToddSchneider:* What should the style (i.e., look and feel) be for the new pages? *[10:26] **Ken Baclawski:* To migrate to the new wiki, I need the raw wikitext. A zip file with all of the wiki pages would be the best for me. *[10:30] **ToddSchneider:* Todd will send a request to Maria to send her wiki material (i.e., raw text) to Kenneth. *[10:31] **ToddSchneider:* Discussed 'monitoring' Wikipedia pages related to ontology; First need a list of pages that should be monitored. *[10:36] **ToddSchneider:* Every one should review the Wikipedia pageshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology_(information_science) andhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_ontology *[10:41] **Ken Baclawski:* Each wiki page has a discussion associated with it. Editing a page or a discussion requires one to login and to have appropriate permission. *[10:45] **ToddSchneider:* Send an email to Frank and Laura about ISAO 2020 to ask what needs to be done. *[10:46] **ToddSchneider:* Stefan will be able to participate in ISAO 2020; He can give tutorials similar to those provided during at Cape Town meeting. *[10:47] **ToddSchneider:* Next meeting will be 4 December 2019 same time. *[10:49] **Ken Baclawski:* Semantic MediaWiki has the ability to specify categories (roughly equivalent to a class in an ontology). The only instances in Semantic MediaWiki are wiki pages. So the instances of a category are pages. Categories can be organized into a hierarchy. There are also properties which can have values that are pages or data values. If the terms of the Term List are to be categories, what are the instances? *[10:50] **ToddSchneider:* Meeting ended at 10:50 EST/ =========== 9 October 2019 IAOA Education Committee Chat Transcript =========== *[10:08] **ToddSchneider:* Last month's agenda: == agenda == 0. adoption of agenda 1. ISAO series & ISAO 2020 a. core content & past speakers: requirements for ISAOs b. next steps in communication with ISAO 2020 chairs 2. JOWO 2019 report & following up a. general report from participants [FL,TS,LV] b. input and ideas from EduTC session c. relation to other IAOA SIGs (AOIS, SWAO) d. follow-up actions 3. ontology-related pages on Wikipedia [TS] ? 4. EduTC Wiki & IAOA Wiki a. Semantic Media Wiki for IAOA and sub groups b. moving content from the EduTC Wiki into the IAOA Wiki? 5. AOB 6. next meetings & revision of default time? = items not to be covered during this meeting = A. term list project a. status and remaining resources for updates b. "user-based" term requests B. textbook initiative (stalled) = pre-meeting material = == 2. JOWO 2019 report & following up == === 2b. input and ideas from EduTC session === (rough) FL notes during the EduTC Session at JOWO 2019: * discussion about a workshop at next JOWO, focusing on education (?) * start 'term of the month' blog posts at IAOA website, increasing visibility of EduTC wiki content and stabilizing progress of work on the term list * on term entry pages, include links to relevant Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (SEP) pages * further wiki pages of interest: ** list of ontology tools ** list of ontology repositories (of ontologies may be too much) ** making old versions of ontologies available persistently *[10:10] **ToddSchneider:* 10:01] Zena: Hi Frank - I cannot stat the Skype call since it keeps telling me it is an internal threat. Would you be able to start it please? [10:03] anonymous morphed into LaureVieu [10:05] Zena1: 0b. Relation between EduC and other Sigs that other educational interests [10:06] FrankLoebe: < session starts > [10:08] FrankLoebe: KB: SWAO SIG, in particular Todd Schneider and Mike Bennett have expressed interest to contribute to EduC projects, in particular to the term list project [10:10] FrankLoebe: TS: one issue with the term list may be to check whether the term coverage - also for "Semantic Web people" - is appropriate [10:11] FrankLoebe: TS: another point of interest is to provide guides/manuals on (or more generally promote the use of) Common Logic [10:11] ToddSchneider:http://purl.org/goodod/guideline [10:12] FrankLoebe: TS: (in analogy to OWL guidelines/material) [10:13] FrankLoebe: TS: developing new material may not be feasible, but providing pointers to existing resources would help already [10:16] FrankLoebe: LV: just a few comments: Common Logic (CL) is also harder to learn; on the other hand, there is plenty of material on first-order logic that could be used ... perhaps that could be linked with CL training [10:17] LaureVieu: ^This is not what I said [10:18] FrankLoebe: FL: then I'm sorry ... to be corected afterwards [10:18] LaureVieu: CL is more expressive but not necessarily harder to learn [10:19] LaureVieu: (OWL is hard to learn in large part due to its limited expressivity) [10:19] FrankLoebe: TS: not for Common Logic per se, in general it would be good to collect material on CL (and maybe other languages); from the SWAO-perspective, more material for practitioners would be desirable [10:19] Zena1: 4. EduTC Wiki & IAOA Wiki a. Semantic Media Wiki for IAOA and sub groups b. moving content from the EduTC Wiki into the IAOA Wiki? [10:21] FrankLoebe: ^ < on item 0b.: ACTION: [TS] < to be covered after the meeting > > [10:21] FrankLoebe: IAOA Wiki:https://wiki.iaoa.org/ [10:22] FrankLoebe: ZW: Is there a new IAOA Administrator now? [10:23] FrankLoebe: LV: Selja Seppl will be administrating the IAOA wiki, but this still needs to get started. Nevertheless the EduTC could get started with first pages. [10:25] FrankLoebe: KB: I can grant people accounts for the Wiki [10:25] FrankLoebe: KB: The EduTC can also decide for an 'individual' skin, cf https://wiki.iaoa.org/index.php/SWAO [10:26] FrankLoebe: < discussion on Trac, already installed by KB, LV and KB will coordinate on that further > [10:32] FrankLoebe: FL: regarding the wiki, getting accounts should be rather easy I see two points to clarify: * Skin and structure for the pages listing resources & material * a conception for how to organize the term list contents [10:34] FrankLoebe: ACTION: [ZW] think of some ideas (by the end of next week) and distribute those through [iaoa-education] and then possibly have a separate meeting for that [10:34] Zena1: 1. ISAO series & ISAO 2020 a. core content & past speakers: requirements for ISAOs b. next steps in communication with ISAO 2020 chairs [10:37] FrankLoebe: ACTION: [ZW] add the core content document to the OneDrive folder by Oct 09 (afternoon) [10:40] FrankLoebe: ACTION: [FL] add to the Past-ISAO-Overview document information on ISAO in 2014 in Brazil [10:44] FrankLoebe: LV: Would you mind if previous speakers are among the facilitators, e.g., Nicola Guarino (last in 2014?) or Stefan Schulz (last in 201? [10:45] Zena1: 2. JOWO 2019 report & following up a. general report from participants [FL,TS,LV] b. input and ideas from EduTC session c. relation to other IAOA SIGs (AOIS, SWAO) d. follow-up actions [10:46] FrankLoebe: ^ < item 1. > FL: from my point of view, NG would cover quite well core content for an ISAO; SSch was speaking on biomedical ontology I think, which is less central - insofar he could participate again, but need not, in my personal opinion [10:47] Zena1: LV: Education Committee event at JOWO was run at the same time as three other events which lowered attendance [10:47] Zena1: FL: We had 3 others in the room [10:48] FrankLoebe: ^ < item 1.> LV: Would you mind if the Chairs are given talks? FL: I don't see a problem with that (e.g., Ontology Matching would quite fit) [10:48] Zena1: LV: We had more outreach during the general meeting [10:48] Zena1: TS: Pub quiz was also well attended [10:49] FrankLoebe: ^ < item 1. > ZW: it's fine as long as there are also other speakers, but this should be the case LV: ok, thanks, ... I think we can then start to contact first speakers, incl. Ariana Betti, perhaps for a short session at the end of ISAO [10:50] Zena1: [10:51] FrankLoebe: TS, LV: JOWO was a bit more like a mini-conference (with many presentations), rather than workshops with intense discussions [10:52] Zena1: c. relation to other IAOA SIGs (AOIS, SWAO) should be added to next meeting [10:54] FrankLoebe: FL: before I need to leave, I've added some notes from the EduC-session discussion at JOWO to the pre-meeting material [10:55] ToddSchneider: Should the Education Committee 'resources' be integrated with the IAOA 'Resources'? [10:57] Zena1: FL: We should keep an eye on this when we integrate EduC committee pages [10:58] Zena1: TS: Let;s defer Term of the month until integration [10:58] Zena1: 3. ontology-related pages on Wikipedia [TS] [10:59] Zena1: TS: I sent an email regarding what is represented on wikipedia with regards to Ontology. [10:59] Zena1: TS: There seems to be some errors on wikipedia and content that needs curating. [11:00] Zena1: LV: We had a panel in Bolzano 2016 ISAO that brought this up and the need for a group that would curate all the pages that relate to Ontology [11:00] Zena1: LV: I do not think anything happened with regards to IAOA [11:01] Zena1: TS: An example we were looking at was knowledge graphs [11:03] Zena1: TS: We could have a blog topic looking at one term in wikipedia. [11:04] Zena1: ACTION: ZW draft email to ask Education Committee who would like to blog about a Wikipedia ontology related entry [11:04] Zena1: 5. AOB [11:06] Zena1: LV: We need to discuss with the communication committee where we would have the blog entry with regards to the wikipedia discussion. [11:07] Zena1: LV: The blog page itself needs reorganising - please let us know if you have any suggestions [11:08] Zena1: LV: ACTION to talk to the communication committee [11:08] Zena1: TS: The blog page looks more like an events page [11:13] Zena1: 6. next meetings & revision of default time? [11:14] Zena1: 6th November [11:15] Zena1: 10:00 EST / 14:00 BST / 13:00 CEST [11:15] Zena1: 10:00 EST / 14:00 BST / 15:00 CEST [11:18] ToddSchneider: Meeting ended @11:16 EDT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: