From maria.keet at uct.ac.za Sun Sep 2 12:22:10 2018 From: maria.keet at uct.ac.za (Maria Keet) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 12:22:10 +0200 Subject: [iaoa-education] Term list status Message-ID: Dear All, I've attached Frank's assessment of the status of the term list. While progress has been made, as you will see, there are also a substantial number that can do with some TLC. If you have a bit of time, please select those that have a "term list importance" of 100 and status "incomplete"--I've colour-coded them in red for easy identification. ISAO starts on September 10. p.s.: The next meeting is at the usual time on Tuesday, as agreed in the previous meeting. An agenda will follow. Regards, Maria ---- Dr. C. Maria Keet Senior Lecturer Department of Computer Science University of Cape Town Cape Town, South Africa tel: +27 21 650 2667 fax: +27 21 650 3551 email: mkeet at cs.uct.ac.za work: http://www.cs.uct.ac.za home: http://www.meteck.org Disclaimer - University of Cape Town This email is subject to UCT policies and email disclaimer published on our website at http://www.uct.ac.za/main/email-disclaimer or obtainable from +27 21 650 9111. If this email is not related to the business of UCT, it is sent by the sender in an individual capacity. Please report security incidents or abuse via https://csirt.uct.ac.za/page/report-an-incident.php. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please find a preliminary agenda proposal below and suggest further items that you would like to discuss or let me know if certain items cannot be dealt with yet. p.s.: apologies for sending the agenda late. Best regards, Maria [1] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180710T14 = 31st Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - Sept. 4, 2018 = == participants == expecting: JB Julita Bermejo-Alonso MK Maria Keet FL Frank Loebe SL Sandra Lovrencic RR Robert Rovetto TS Todd Schneider ZW Zena Wood regrets: < none > == agenda == 0. adoption of agenda 1. termlist updates and discussion a. summary of updates/progress since last meeting [FL] b. decide whether to announce it at ISAO 2. update on ISAO 2018 [MK] ? 3. former pub quizzes: ISAO 2016 quiz in Wordpress [ZW] 4. EduTC chairing 5. AOB 6. next meeting(s) with new semester schedules = pre-meeting material = == 1. termlist timeline == timeline until ISOA 2018 (derived and extended from minutes of meeting n.28, Apr 10) * Jun 30 (Sat): 1st version (draft) * Jul 31 (Tue): 2nd version (prefinal) * during August: consistency checking (4 weeks) * Sep 02 (Sun): 3rd version (final prior to ISAO) * Sep 04 (Tue): EduTC discussion * Sep 05 (Wed): announcement * Sep 10-15: ISAO 2018 == next meetings == default: first Tuesdays each month 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST yield * Tue, Oct 02, 2018 * Tue, Nov 06, 2018 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandra.lovrencic at foi.hr Tue Sep 4 13:03:49 2018 From: sandra.lovrencic at foi.hr (=?UTF-8?B?U2FuZHJhIExvdnJlbsSNacSH?=) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 13:03:49 +0200 Subject: [iaoa-education] IAOA Education Committee Meeting n.31 on Tue, Sept 4, 2018: announcement In-Reply-To: <11ab64fc-e26d-ce37-8d80-9edb6b9c8255@cs.uct.ac.za> References: <11ab64fc-e26d-ce37-8d80-9edb6b9c8255@cs.uct.ac.za> Message-ID: <8c068ce2-faba-d464-3369-b3e4fd6e956d@foi.hr> Dear all, I have exams today from 15:00 - 19:00 CEST. If I will be able to make a break, I will join you. If there will be any reservations for terms, please send them via email as soon as possible and I will try to select some of those that are left. Best regards, Sandra FOI signature ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Faculty of organization and informatics *Assoc. Prof. Sandra Lovren?i?, Ph.D.* *University of Zagreb, Faculty of organization and informatics *Pavlinska 2, HR-42000 Vara?din, Croatia tel: +385 42 390 851; fax: +385 42 213 413; mob: +385 98 243 341 e-mail: sandra.lovrencic at foi.hr http://www.foi.unizg.hr/eng/staff/sandra.lovrencic ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 3.9.2018. 18:16, Maria Keet wrote: > Dear all, > > As agreed at the previous meeting, the next Education Committee > meeting is planned as follows: > > ?? --> Meeting n.31 ???????????? Tue, Sept. 4, 2018 [1] > ?????? 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST > > ?? Skype: https://join.skype.com/a36OQeLjaIzd > ?? Chat : http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_edu_20180904 > > If you cannot make it to this meeting, I'd be grateful if you could > let us know. > > Please find a preliminary agenda proposal below and suggest further > items that you would like to discuss or let me know if certain items > cannot be dealt with yet. > > p.s.: apologies for sending the agenda late. > > Best regards, > Maria > > > [1] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180710T14 > > > = 31st Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - Sept. 4, 2018 = > > == participants == > > expecting: > ? JB? Julita Bermejo-Alonso > ? MK? Maria Keet > ? FL? Frank Loebe > ? SL? Sandra Lovrencic > ? RR? Robert Rovetto > ? TS? Todd Schneider > ? ZW? Zena Wood > > regrets: > ? < none > > > == agenda == > > ?? 0. adoption of agenda > > ?? 1. termlist updates and discussion > ????? a. summary of updates/progress since last meeting [FL] > ????? b. decide whether to announce it at ISAO > > ?? 2. update on ISAO 2018 [MK] > > ?? 3. former pub quizzes: ISAO 2016 quiz in Wordpress [ZW] > > ?? 4. EduTC chairing > > ?? 5. AOB > > ?? 6. next meeting(s) with new semester schedules > > > = pre-meeting material = > > == 1. termlist timeline == > > timeline until ISOA 2018 > (derived and extended from minutes of meeting n.28, Apr 10) > > * Jun 30 (Sat):? 1st version (draft) > * Jul 31 (Tue):? 2nd version (prefinal) > * during August: consistency checking (4 weeks) > * Sep 02 (Sun):? 3rd version (final prior to ISAO) > * Sep 04 (Tue):? EduTC discussion > * Sep 05 (Wed):? announcement > * Sep 10-15:???? ISAO 2018 > > > == next meetings == > > default: first Tuesdays each month > 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST? yield > > * Tue, Oct 02, 2018 > * Tue, Nov 06, 2018 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To Post: mailto:iaoa-education at ovgu.de > Msg Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de/pipermail/iaoa-education/ > List Info: https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/iaoa-education/ > Comm. Wiki: http://iaoaedu.cs.uct.ac.za/ > IAOA website: http://iaoa.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Zena Dear all, As agreed at the previous meeting, the next Education Committee meeting is planned as follows: --> Meeting n.31 Tue, Sept. 4, 2018 [1] 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST Skype: https://join.skype.com/a36OQeLjaIzd Chat : http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_edu_20180904 If you cannot make it to this meeting, I'd be grateful if you could let us know. Please find a preliminary agenda proposal below and suggest further items that you would like to discuss or let me know if certain items cannot be dealt with yet. p.s.: apologies for sending the agenda late. Best regards, Maria [1] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180710T14 = 31st Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - Sept. 4, 2018 = == participants == expecting: JB Julita Bermejo-Alonso MK Maria Keet FL Frank Loebe SL Sandra Lovrencic RR Robert Rovetto TS Todd Schneider ZW Zena Wood regrets: < none > == agenda == 0. adoption of agenda 1. termlist updates and discussion a. summary of updates/progress since last meeting [FL] b. decide whether to announce it at ISAO 2. update on ISAO 2018 [MK] ? 3. former pub quizzes: ISAO 2016 quiz in Wordpress [ZW] 4. EduTC chairing 5. AOB 6. next meeting(s) with new semester schedules = pre-meeting material = == 1. termlist timeline == timeline until ISOA 2018 (derived and extended from minutes of meeting n.28, Apr 10) * Jun 30 (Sat): 1st version (draft) * Jul 31 (Tue): 2nd version (prefinal) * during August: consistency checking (4 weeks) * Sep 02 (Sun): 3rd version (final prior to ISAO) * Sep 04 (Tue): EduTC discussion * Sep 05 (Wed): announcement * Sep 10-15: ISAO 2018 == next meetings == default: first Tuesdays each month 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST yield * Tue, Oct 02, 2018 * Tue, Nov 06, 2018 _________________________________________________________________ To Post: mailto:iaoa-education at ovgu.de Msg Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de/pipermail/iaoa-education/ List Info: https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/iaoa-education/ Comm. Wiki: http://iaoaedu.cs.uct.ac.za/ IAOA website: http://iaoa.org University of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee, registered in England (reg. no. 986729). Registered office: Old Royal Naval College, Park Row, Greenwich, London SE10 9LS. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrovetto at buffalo.edu Tue Sep 4 15:48:03 2018 From: rrovetto at buffalo.edu (rrovetto at buffalo.edu) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 09:48:03 -0400 Subject: [iaoa-education] Term list status In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Regarding term list development, what is the red highlight? I also want to ask the following of everyone... What are your (everyone) thoughts on the IAOA term list being... a) a list of terms with various definitions from different sources b) (a) + one or more IAOA proposed neutral definitions for each term ...? Finally, going over some terms again, this is an opportunity to us to introduce and encourage greater precision in terminology and definition development. For example, 'Upper Ontology' is often used to mean 'Top-level Ontology' but this is not quite correct from a couple of standpoints. 'Upper' is an word whose sense is one of gradation. 'Top' by contrast is an absolute. It is effectively terminal. Additionally, between a top and bottom ontology there can be various others. Therefore, the former should not refer to the latter. Another example is 'Foundational Ontology': Likewise, it does not necessarily refer to 'Top- [...]' The word 'foundational' suggests a foundation, a base, or bottom portion of some larger structure. It is thereby not a top portion. This is important because the it speaks to the possible architectures for ontologies, whether something is truly bottom, top, middle, or otherwise, etc. I think Dr.John Sowa would have important input on this. These are foundational issues (no pun intended) that are important. These are two examples of us being able to improve the state of understanding and use of these terms. Robert Rovetto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjschneider at covad.net Tue Sep 4 15:52:36 2018 From: tjschneider at covad.net (Todd Schneider) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 09:52:36 -0400 Subject: [iaoa-education] IAOA Education Committee Meeting n.31 on Tue, Sept 4, 2018: announcement In-Reply-To: <11ab64fc-e26d-ce37-8d80-9edb6b9c8255@cs.uct.ac.za> References: <11ab64fc-e26d-ce37-8d80-9edb6b9c8255@cs.uct.ac.za> Message-ID: <539adf6e-bf6a-d482-b194-d571fd56eff3@covad.net> Maria, I have a conflict with an Industrial Ontology Foundry meeting. It occurs every Tuesday at 10:00 Eastern. Todd On 9/3/18 12:16 PM, Maria Keet wrote: > Dear all, > > As agreed at the previous meeting, the next Education Committee > meeting is planned as follows: > > ?? --> Meeting n.31 ???????????? Tue, Sept. 4, 2018 [1] > ?????? 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST > > ?? Skype: https://join.skype.com/a36OQeLjaIzd > ?? Chat : http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_edu_20180904 > > If you cannot make it to this meeting, I'd be grateful if you could > let us know. > > Please find a preliminary agenda proposal below and suggest further > items that you would like to discuss or let me know if certain items > cannot be dealt with yet. > > p.s.: apologies for sending the agenda late. > > Best regards, > Maria > > > [1] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180710T14 > > > = 31st Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - Sept. 4, 2018 = > > == participants == > > expecting: > ? JB? Julita Bermejo-Alonso > ? MK? Maria Keet > ? FL? Frank Loebe > ? SL? Sandra Lovrencic > ? RR? Robert Rovetto > ? TS? Todd Schneider > ? ZW? Zena Wood > > regrets: > ? < none > > > == agenda == > > ?? 0. adoption of agenda > > ?? 1. termlist updates and discussion > ????? a. summary of updates/progress since last meeting [FL] > ????? b. decide whether to announce it at ISAO > > ?? 2. update on ISAO 2018 [MK] > > ?? 3. former pub quizzes: ISAO 2016 quiz in Wordpress [ZW] > > ?? 4. EduTC chairing > > ?? 5. AOB > > ?? 6. next meeting(s) with new semester schedules > > > = pre-meeting material = > > == 1. termlist timeline == > > timeline until ISOA 2018 > (derived and extended from minutes of meeting n.28, Apr 10) > > * Jun 30 (Sat):? 1st version (draft) > * Jul 31 (Tue):? 2nd version (prefinal) > * during August: consistency checking (4 weeks) > * Sep 02 (Sun):? 3rd version (final prior to ISAO) > * Sep 04 (Tue):? EduTC discussion > * Sep 05 (Wed):? announcement > * Sep 10-15:???? ISAO 2018 > > > == next meetings == > > default: first Tuesdays each month > 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST? yield > > * Tue, Oct 02, 2018 > * Tue, Nov 06, 2018 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frank.loebe at informatik.uni-leipzig.de Tue Sep 4 19:02:18 2018 From: frank.loebe at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Frank Loebe) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:02:18 +0200 Subject: [iaoa-education] IAOA Education Committee Meeting n.31 on Tue, Sep 04, 2018: minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, please find below and attached the minutes of the Education Committee meeting n.31, held earlier today. I have just made very few minor edits, including a rearrangement to bring interrelated lines closer together. Overall, the quality of the transcript during the meeting should be improved - I'm sorry. If you have any questions, comments or change requests, please let me know. Best regards, Frank = 31st Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - Sept. 4, 2018 = --> Meeting n.31 Tue, Sept. 4, 2018 [1] 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST Skype: https://join.skype.com/a36OQeLjaIzd Chat : http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_edu_20180904 -- chat transcript, very lightly edited -- [15:56] MariaKeet: . = 31st Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - Sept. 4, 2018 = == participants == expecting: JB Julita Bermejo-Alonso MK Maria Keet FL Frank Loebe SL Sandra Lovrencic RR Robert Rovetto TS Todd Schneider ZW Zena Wood regrets: < none > == agenda == 0. adoption of agenda 1. termlist updates and discussion a. summary of updates/progress since last meeting [FL] b. decide whether to announce it at ISAO 2. update on ISAO 2018 [MK] ? 3. former pub quizzes: ISAO 2016 quiz in Wordpress [ZW] 4. EduTC chairing 5. AOB 6. next meeting(s) with new semester schedules = pre-meeting material = == 1. termlist timeline == timeline until ISOA 2018 (derived and extended from minutes of meeting n.28, Apr 10) * Jun 30 (Sat): 1st version (draft) * Jul 31 (Tue): 2nd version (prefinal) * during August: consistency checking (4 weeks) * Sep 02 (Sun): 3rd version (final prior to ISAO) * Sep 04 (Tue): EduTC discussion * Sep 05 (Wed): announcement * Sep 10-15: ISAO 2018 == next meetings == default: first Tuesdays each month 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST yield * Tue, Oct 02, 2018 * Tue, Nov 06, 2018 [15:57] MariaKeet: regrets: Zena, Todd, and possibly Sandra as well [16:04] FrankLoebe: < session started > [16:05] FrankLoebe: . == 0. adoption of agenda == agenda adopted [16:05] FrankLoebe: . == 1. termlist updates and discussion == a. summary of updates/progress since last meeting [FL] b. decide whether to announce it at ISAO [16:06] RobRovetto: my two cents is not to announce it. It's incomplete, there are open questions I think, etc. [16:08] RobRovetto: (having some speaker issues)... [16:09] FrankLoebe: MK raised the question of whether we announce the list at ISAO [16:12] RobRovetto: Another reason to not show the list is this. Currently it seems to have many or mostly terms from specific ontologies. The IAOA should remain neutral. Additionally, those specific ontologies can (and I believe will) use any list as advertisement for itself or to falsely show it's influence or use. Therefore it would be more responsible for the list to have more terms from a more diverse group of ontologies or ontology literature. Thus, at the very least the list should not be distributed or pushed. Mentioning it as in progress with much work is ok, but not pushing it forward for distribution. [16:16] RobRovetto: Sidebar: There is certainly a paper in developing and improving fundamental terminology such as these (foundational, upper, core, domain, etc.). Not to get off topic, but if any of you are interested in co-authoring on something like this and there's funding available, i'd be interested. [16:20] RobRovetto: One question is: if there are types of ontologies or only applications. I think someone (not sure who) said that all ontologies are the same, but what is different is the application, use, and where they are placed in a wider system. So these aspects may not necessarily yield TYPES of ontologies. [16:23] FrankLoebe: FL: I agree the term list is incomplete, but nevertheless I would have thought it can be shown to ISAO participants, whereas it's not really ready for announcing it to the overall IAOA membership. [16:25] FrankLoebe: < discussion about announcing the list or not, to make use of it or extending it during mini-projects at ISAO > [16:25] RobRovetto: Sidebar: does anyone know of short-notice funding available to fly to capetown? I'd be willing to agree to labor of some sort, or work for some period of time for the funding. I'd like to attend and use the opportunity to be in Capetown to pursue opportunity. [16:26] FrankLoebe: JB: my personal opinion is to rather present it as work-in-progress, thereby possibly getting more people on board [16:27] FrankLoebe: FL: +1 [16:27] MariaKeet: MK: +1 [16:31] RobRovetto: 'General Ontology' and/or 'Generic ontology' were used in some publications although I don't know which. In their usage, the term accurately captures the fact that the ontology terms are for generic or broad use (i.e. what today is often called 'upper') [16:34] RobRovetto: Another reason (related to the last) to not distribute or announce to the whole membership the list is that IAOA should not inadvertently direct persons to a specific ontology. If the list currently has most terms from a particular upper ontology, attendees of ISAO who may be unaware of upper ontologies may be directed to that particular one. So the effect may be of inadvertently biasing attendees. [16:35] RobRovetto: Interesting parallel with another project. The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy has calls for people to describe a term. I think some are on our term list. [16:35] RobRovetto: e.g., Event, Predicate, etc. [16:38] RobRovetto: So for foundational, upper, etc. I think more discussion is needed. Short of that discussion, I don't think Foundational Onto should necessarily be synonym with Upper, nor Upper Onto with Top-level Onto. [16:41] FrankLoebe: [action] [MK] find out how to delete pages on pmwiki [16:41] RobRovetto: empty pages means? [16:41] FrankLoebe: [action] [MK] delete empty pages (which just contain a heading) by Fri, Sep 07, such that uncovered terms are marked with question marks [16:44] FrankLoebe: [agreement] there'll be no general publicization of the term list to all IAOA members, but use of it - as work in progress - at ISAO [16:44] RobRovetto: For adding definitions to the wiki, we are free to? [16:44] RobRovetto: e.g., object has only one i think [16:44] FrankLoebe: @Rob: yes [16:44] FrankLoebe: @Rob: yes, please add if you have definitions, ideally with references [16:46] RobRovetto: definitions from ontology texts (metaphysics, philosophy, possibly formal ontology) as well? Or would you say only from applied ontology groups/literature/projects? [16:46] FrankLoebe: @Rob: yes, also definitions from related fields, not only applied ontology [16:45] FrankLoebe: [agreement] the term list will be mentioned in the Assembly, as EduTC activity [16:45] FrankLoebe: . == 2. update on ISAO 2018 == [16:47] RobRovetto: is it a diverse group? [16:47] FrankLoebe: Aldo Gangemi cannot come [[...]], MK will step in to chair at the event itself [16:47] FrankLoebe: 17 participants so far [16:49] RobRovetto: various universities, countries, or companies? [16:49] RobRovetto: yes, attendees of isao [16:50] FrankLoebe: MK: yes, it is, some people from UCT and some from Stellenbosch, further ones from Africa, plus from Germany, Italy, Canada, U.S., etc. [16:52] FrankLoebe: MK: two people with industry background as it seems; about 13 PhD students, 4 with PhD already [16:59] RobRovetto: (lost internet connectivity) [16:59] FrankLoebe: < discussion about remaining organizational points; most is settled, Pub quiz is a bit up in the air until new questions arrive > [16:59] RobRovetto: Sidebar: has anyone considered Slack for IAOA Edu or IAOA in general? [17:00] FrankLoebe: . == 4. EduTC chairing == [17:00] FrankLoebe: MK: I note that Zena and myself chair the EduTC since 2014 [17:01] FrankLoebe: MK: I'm open to receive statements of interest [[for chairing the group, to have a change at some point]] [17:03] FrankLoebe: FL: it's true, we don't actually have any policy for such changes ... [17:04] RobRovetto: would you repeat the question, please? [17:08] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] add EduTC comments to the FOIS Assembly agenda [17:08] RobRovetto: none [[regarding: further comments?]] [17:10] FrankLoebe: MK: If there are any comments either on any kind of rotation model or any personal statements of interest, please let me know. [17:11] MariaKeet: https://people.cs.uct.ac.za/~mkeet/OEbook/ [17:11] FrankLoebe: MK: the URL just provided refers to my revision of my own lecture notes, now turned into an online textbook [17:13] FrankLoebe: MK: for the Assembly, I'd basically report on a list of activities that the EduTC has pursued [17:15] FrankLoebe: [action] [MK] provide a slide with such items for the Assembly slide set [17:18] RobRovetto: Other thoughts on term list and textbook (another approach): How about an application-based approach. Instead or in addition to beginning with or listing various definitions, we begin with project goals and applications, and how the concept or definition of 'ontology' changes accordingly, and whether ontology architecture changes accordingly, and if/how the use of concepts such as 'foundational', 'top', 'bottom', 'middle', 'core' 'domain' enters the picture. I think a dynamic visualization of all this is possible: perhaps an ontology visualization of conepts that go into describing and applying ontologies [17:19] MariaKeet: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/OntologySummit2007_FrameworksForConsideration/DimensionsMap.html [17:20] FrankLoebe: MK: ^ as a reply to Robert's comment [17:20] RobRovetto: i had something more three dimensional and ambitious in mind. but for another discussion [17:21] RobRovetto: also had in mind pedagogical approaches for us--as IAOA Education [17:18] FrankLoebe: MK: what to say about future plans? [17:22] FrankLoebe: FL: at some point the EduTC needs to think of the next ISAO, i.e., ISAO 2020, to get this initiated early enough [17:22] FrankLoebe: . == 6. next meeting(s) with new semester schedules == [17:24] FrankLoebe: FL: we should find a new time in order to allow Todd to join, if he wishes to [17:25] FrankLoebe: [action] [MK] set up a Doodle poll and publicize it via [iaoa-education] [17:26] FrankLoebe: < session ends > [17:27] FrankLoebe: . == participants == * JB Julita Bermejo-Alonso * MK Maria Keet * FL Frank Loebe * RR Robert Rovetto < transcript ends > -------------- next part -------------- = 31st Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - Sept. 4, 2018 = --> Meeting n.31 Tue, Sept. 4, 2018 [1] 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST Skype: https://join.skype.com/a36OQeLjaIzd Chat : http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_edu_20180904 -- chat transcript, very lightly edited -- [15:56] MariaKeet: . = 31st Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - Sept. 4, 2018 = == participants == expecting: JB Julita Bermejo-Alonso MK Maria Keet FL Frank Loebe SL Sandra Lovrencic RR Robert Rovetto TS Todd Schneider ZW Zena Wood regrets: < none > == agenda == 0. adoption of agenda 1. termlist updates and discussion a. summary of updates/progress since last meeting [FL] b. decide whether to announce it at ISAO 2. update on ISAO 2018 [MK] ? 3. former pub quizzes: ISAO 2016 quiz in Wordpress [ZW] 4. EduTC chairing 5. AOB 6. next meeting(s) with new semester schedules = pre-meeting material = == 1. termlist timeline == timeline until ISOA 2018 (derived and extended from minutes of meeting n.28, Apr 10) * Jun 30 (Sat): 1st version (draft) * Jul 31 (Tue): 2nd version (prefinal) * during August: consistency checking (4 weeks) * Sep 02 (Sun): 3rd version (final prior to ISAO) * Sep 04 (Tue): EduTC discussion * Sep 05 (Wed): announcement * Sep 10-15: ISAO 2018 == next meetings == default: first Tuesdays each month 10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST yield * Tue, Oct 02, 2018 * Tue, Nov 06, 2018 [15:57] MariaKeet: regrets: Zena, Todd, and possibly Sandra as well [16:04] FrankLoebe: < session started > [16:05] FrankLoebe: . == 0. adoption of agenda == agenda adopted [16:05] FrankLoebe: . == 1. termlist updates and discussion == a. summary of updates/progress since last meeting [FL] b. decide whether to announce it at ISAO [16:06] RobRovetto: my two cents is not to announce it. It's incomplete, there are open questions I think, etc. [16:08] RobRovetto: (having some speaker issues)... [16:09] FrankLoebe: MK raised the question of whether we announce the list at ISAO [16:12] RobRovetto: Another reason to not show the list is this. Currently it seems to have many or mostly terms from specific ontologies. The IAOA should remain neutral. Additionally, those specific ontologies can (and I believe will) use any list as advertisement for itself or to falsely show it's influence or use. Therefore it would be more responsible for the list to have more terms from a more diverse group of ontologies or ontology literature. Thus, at the very least the list should not be distributed or pushed. Mentioning it as in progress with much work is ok, but not pushing it forward for distribution. [16:16] RobRovetto: Sidebar: There is certainly a paper in developing and improving fundamental terminology such as these (foundational, upper, core, domain, etc.). Not to get off topic, but if any of you are interested in co-authoring on something like this and there's funding available, i'd be interested. [16:20] RobRovetto: One question is: if there are types of ontologies or only applications. I think someone (not sure who) said that all ontologies are the same, but what is different is the application, use, and where they are placed in a wider system. So these aspects may not necessarily yield TYPES of ontologies. [16:23] FrankLoebe: FL: I agree the term list is incomplete, but nevertheless I would have thought it can be shown to ISAO participants, whereas it's not really ready for announcing it to the overall IAOA membership. [16:25] FrankLoebe: < discussion about announcing the list or not, to make use of it or extending it during mini-projects at ISAO > [16:25] RobRovetto: Sidebar: does anyone know of short-notice funding available to fly to capetown? I'd be willing to agree to labor of some sort, or work for some period of time for the funding. I'd like to attend and use the opportunity to be in Capetown to pursue opportunity. [16:26] FrankLoebe: JB: my personal opinion is to rather present it as work-in-progress, thereby possibly getting more people on board [16:27] FrankLoebe: FL: +1 [16:27] MariaKeet: MK: +1 [16:31] RobRovetto: 'General Ontology' and/or 'Generic ontology' were used in some publications although I don't know which. In their usage, the term accurately captures the fact that the ontology terms are for generic or broad use (i.e. what today is often called 'upper') [16:34] RobRovetto: Another reason (related to the last) to not distribute or announce to the whole membership the list is that IAOA should not inadvertently direct persons to a specific ontology. If the list currently has most terms from a particular upper ontology, attendees of ISAO who may be unaware of upper ontologies may be directed to that particular one. So the effect may be of inadvertently biasing attendees. [16:35] RobRovetto: Interesting parallel with another project. The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy has calls for people to describe a term. I think some are on our term list. [16:35] RobRovetto: e.g., Event, Predicate, etc. [16:38] RobRovetto: So for foundational, upper, etc. I think more discussion is needed. Short of that discussion, I don't think Foundational Onto should necessarily be synonym with Upper, nor Upper Onto with Top-level Onto. [16:41] FrankLoebe: [action] [MK] find out how to delete pages on pmwiki [16:41] RobRovetto: empty pages means? [16:41] FrankLoebe: [action] [MK] delete empty pages (which just contain a heading) by Fri, Sep 07, such that uncovered terms are marked with question marks [16:44] FrankLoebe: [agreement] there'll be no general publicization of the term list to all IAOA members, but use of it - as work in progress - at ISAO [16:44] RobRovetto: For adding definitions to the wiki, we are free to? [16:44] RobRovetto: e.g., object has only one i think [16:44] FrankLoebe: @Rob: yes [16:44] FrankLoebe: @Rob: yes, please add if you have definitions, ideally with references [16:46] RobRovetto: definitions from ontology texts (metaphysics, philosophy, possibly formal ontology) as well? Or would you say only from applied ontology groups/literature/projects? [16:46] FrankLoebe: @Rob: yes, also definitions from related fields, not only applied ontology [16:45] FrankLoebe: [agreement] the term list will be mentioned in the Assembly, as EduTC activity [16:45] FrankLoebe: . == 2. update on ISAO 2018 == [16:47] RobRovetto: is it a diverse group? [16:47] FrankLoebe: Aldo Gangemi cannot come [[...]], MK will step in to chair at the event itself [16:47] FrankLoebe: 17 participants so far [16:49] RobRovetto: various universities, countries, or companies? [16:49] RobRovetto: yes, attendees of isao [16:50] FrankLoebe: MK: yes, it is, some people from UCT and some from Stellenbosch, further ones from Africa, plus from Germany, Italy, Canada, U.S., etc. [16:52] FrankLoebe: MK: two people with industry background as it seems; about 13 PhD students, 4 with PhD already [16:59] RobRovetto: (lost internet connectivity) [16:59] FrankLoebe: < discussion about remaining organizational points; most is settled, Pub quiz is a bit up in the air until new questions arrive > [16:59] RobRovetto: Sidebar: has anyone considered Slack for IAOA Edu or IAOA in general? [17:00] FrankLoebe: . == 4. EduTC chairing == [17:00] FrankLoebe: MK: I note that Zena and myself chair the EduTC since 2014 [17:01] FrankLoebe: MK: I'm open to receive statements of interest [[for chairing the group, to have a change at some point]] [17:03] FrankLoebe: FL: it's true, we don't actually have any policy for such changes ... [17:04] RobRovetto: would you repeat the question, please? [17:08] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] add EduTC comments to the FOIS Assembly agenda [17:08] RobRovetto: none [[regarding: further comments?]] [17:10] FrankLoebe: MK: If there are any comments either on any kind of rotation model or any personal statements of interest, please let me know. [17:11] MariaKeet: https://people.cs.uct.ac.za/~mkeet/OEbook/ [17:11] FrankLoebe: MK: the URL just provided refers to my revision of my own lecture notes, now turned into an online textbook [17:13] FrankLoebe: MK: for the Assembly, I'd basically report on a list of activities that the EduTC has pursued [17:15] FrankLoebe: [action] [MK] provide a slide with such items for the Assembly slide set [17:18] RobRovetto: Other thoughts on term list and textbook (another approach): How about an application-based approach. Instead or in addition to beginning with or listing various definitions, we begin with project goals and applications, and how the concept or definition of 'ontology' changes accordingly, and whether ontology architecture changes accordingly, and if/how the use of concepts such as 'foundational', 'top', 'bottom', 'middle', 'core' 'domain' enters the picture. I think a dynamic visualization of all this is possible: perhaps an ontology visualization of conepts that go into describing and applying ontologies [17:19] MariaKeet: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/OntologySummit2007_FrameworksForConsideration/DimensionsMap.html [17:20] FrankLoebe: MK: ^ as a reply to Robert's comment [17:20] RobRovetto: i had something more three dimensional and ambitious in mind. but for another discussion [17:21] RobRovetto: also had in mind pedagogical approaches for us--as IAOA Education [17:18] FrankLoebe: MK: what to say about future plans? [17:22] FrankLoebe: FL: at some point the EduTC needs to think of the next ISAO, i.e., ISAO 2020, to get this initiated early enough [17:22] FrankLoebe: . == 6. next meeting(s) with new semester schedules == [17:24] FrankLoebe: FL: we should find a new time in order to allow Todd to join, if he wishes to [17:25] FrankLoebe: [action] [MK] set up a Doodle poll and publicize it via [iaoa-education] [17:26] FrankLoebe: < session ends > [17:27] FrankLoebe: . == participants == * JB Julita Bermejo-Alonso * MK Maria Keet * FL Frank Loebe * RR Robert Rovetto < transcript ends >