[iaoa-education] IAOA Education Committee Meeting n.28 on Tue, Apr 10, 2018: minutes
Frank Loebe
frank.loebe at informatik.uni-leipzig.de
Wed Apr 11 02:02:11 CEST 2018
Dear all,
please find below and attached the minutes of the Education Committee
meeting n.28, held on Apr 10, 2018.
I have made minor edits, including adding [action]-markers in a few lines.
If you have any comments or change requests, please let me know.
With a bit of a shift compared to the default date, the next Education
Committee meeting is planned as follows:
--> Meeting n.29 Tue, May 15, 2018 [1]
10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST
Tentatively during the Apr 10 meeting, a textbook meeting has been
considered for the week before the next committee meeting. That would be
on May 08 then (same time of the day; with regrets from Maria), but that
still requires confirmation by Zena and possibly others not/not longer
in the call when the May 15 meeting got scheduled. A separate message on
that should follow at some point.
Best regards,
Frank
[1] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180515T1400
= 28th Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - April 10, 2018 =
--> Meeting n.28 Tue, April 10, 2018 [1]
10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST
Skype: https://join.skype.com/a36OQeLjaIzd
Chat : http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_edu_20180410
[1] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180410T1400
-- edited session transcript --
[16:01] MariaKeet:
= 28th Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - April 10, 2018 =
== participants ==
expecting:
JB Julita Bermejo-Alonso
MK Maria Keet
FL Frank Loebe
SL Sandra Lovrencic
TS Todd Schneider
ZW Zena Wood
regrets:
< none >
== agenda ==
0. adoption of agenda
! 1. update on ISAO 2018 [MK/ISAO Chairs]
a. 1st call for participation?
b. other
2. EduTC planning for 2018
a. progress on timeline for textbook work in 2018 [ZW]
b. progress on timeline for termlist before ISAO 2018 [FL]
3. wiki maintenance
a. updates to textbook listing: some issues [JB]
b. term/definition and formatting updates [FL]
c. other updates?
? 5. pub quizzes
a. ISAO 2016 quiz draft in Wordpress [ZW]
6. AOB
7. next meeting(s)
[16:04] FrankLoebe: < session starts >
[16:04] FrankLoebe: MK: agenda adopted as is
[16:04] FrankLoebe: .
== 1. update on ISAO 2018 ==
a. 1st call for participation?
b. other
[16:05] FrankLoebe: MK: 1. CfParticipation is needed soon - any updates?
[16:06] FrankLoebe: AG: we have a 1st draft now, which got distributed
among a few people for checking
[16:07] FrankLoebe: AG: I've just sent it via Skype, please let me know
of comments
[16:08] FrankLoebe: MK: ok, comments should be sent after the meeting,
perhaps by today
[16:08] FrankLoebe: MK: call should go out during this week
[16:08] FrankLoebe: AG: Antony Galton informed me that he cannot attend
ISAO; I will attend
[16:09] FrankLoebe: AG: Would anybody else be available to support me in
coordinating?
[16:10] FrankLoebe: FL: ^ I assume: while ISAO is ongoing
[16:10] FrankLoebe: AG: real program should be arranged for over the
next few weeks
[16:12] FrankLoebe: AG: regarding speakers, we have the four stated in
the CfPart, i.e., Maureen Donelly (Buffalo), Maria Keet (Cape Town),
Anita Britz (Stellenbosch), Stefan Schulz (Graz, Austria)
[16:13] FrankLoebe: < quote from the call >
* Arina Britz, Stellenbosch University, South Africa
(First-order Logic and Description Logics)
* Maureen Donnelly, University of Buffalo, New York, USA
(Mereology, Location, and Time)
* Maria Keet, University of Cape Town, South Africa
(Semantics and Conceptual Modelling)
* Stefan Schulz, Medical University of Graz, Austria
(Biomedical Ontology)
</ quote >
[16:14] FrankLoebe: MK: what about the 2 invited speakers at FOIS? would
they join, e.g. for a guest lecture?
[16:14] FrankLoebe: AG: I'm not fully sure about the invitation status
and feedback; Antony Galton is handling that
[16:15] FrankLoebe: AG: the program will be more structured than the
list of lecturers with topics in the call
[16:17] FrankLoebe: FL: The status of Michael Gruninger of giving a
guest lecture or not seems to be unclear. Perhaps he could be informed
about that, please.
[16:18] FrankLoebe: AG: [action] [AG] Ok, I'll take that to Antony Galton.
[16:18] FrankLoebe: MK: Peter Simons also expressed interest in giving a
guest lecture.
[16:18] FrankLoebe: MK: any other requests for Aldo regarding ISAO?
[16:18] FrankLoebe: MK: the budget still needs to be finalized
[16:19] FrankLoebe: AG: Budget will cover accommodation of lecturers;
but will it cover travel costs, too?
[16:21] FrankLoebe: MK: we might pay for S.Schulz and M.Donelly, but in
previous ISAOs there has not been much funding, including not for the chairs
[16:21] FrankLoebe: AG: I note the item on pub quizzes on the agenda ...
[16:21] FrankLoebe: MK: that's actually concerning the former pub quizzes
[16:23] FrankLoebe: AG: I'd like to have much interaction insofar a pub
quiz would be good.
[16:24] FrankLoebe: AG: No final decision on having a pub quiz yet, but
I'll discuss that with Antony Galton and then we decide.
[16:24] FrankLoebe: MK: Please make sure, if a pub quiz is to happen, to
let us know if you would want questions from us, from former pub quizzes
[16:27] FrankLoebe: FL: comment on the budget discussion: assuming not
much funding, how does it work to pay for lecturers, without rather high
fees?
[16:28] FrankLoebe: MK: basically this applies only to two international
full lecturers, not to guest lecturers (I myself and Arina Britz won't
need funding)
[16:29] FrankLoebe: MK: on the date of ISAO: it's Sep 10-15, website
will be updated, CfPart should take this into account, too.
[16:29] FrankLoebe: MK: feedback on CfParticipation should be provided
by the end of the day
[16:30] FrankLoebe: MK: thanks to Aldo
< AG leaves >
[16:30] FrankLoebe: Todd, are you on Skype?
[16:31] FrankLoebe: .
== 2. EduTC planning for 2018 ==
a. progress on timeline for textbook work in 2018 [ZW]
b. progress on timeline for termlist before ISAO 2018 [FL]
[16:32] FrankLoebe: ZW: timeline will still be done, I'll send it to
[iaoa-education]
[16:32] FrankLoebe: ZW: I'm also going to propose a meeting for the week
before the next EduTC meeting
[16:33] FrankLoebe: timeline for termlist: status from last Meeting:
Jun 30: first draft done
Aug: consistency checking (4 weeks)
Sep 02 (Sun): be done the week before ISAO, then announce it
* ISAO: Sep 10-15
[16:33] FrankLoebe:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aFp9-mUpq--l-9X5Q1GOl_8_G7h6ngDhZJdPkbYBrMc/edit?usp=sharing
[16:41] FrankLoebe: < discussion about the spreadsheet and how to use it
collaboratively vs mainly FL handling a local spreadsheet >
[16:47] FrankLoebe: [agreement] use the term list for "editing
reservations" as discussed, e.g. "[MK, Apr 15, 2018]"
[16:48] FrankLoebe: SL: [action] add * Ontology pages (6)
[16:49] FrankLoebe: [action] [MK] add relation, Particular-Particular
Relation?
[16:50] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] Entity
[16:51] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] assess the status of existing
definitions by next meeting
[16:51] FrankLoebe: ^ all of the immediately preceding action items are
due by next meeting
[16:52] FrankLoebe: .
== 3. wiki maintenance ==
a. updates to textbook listing: some issues [JB]
b. term/definition and formatting updates [FL]
c. other updates?
[16:53] FrankLoebe: MK: < item 3a. skipped as JB is missing >
[16:57] MariaKeet: FL: formatting as at the top part of the continuant page
[16:57] FrankLoebe: comments on the term list:
* add sections on deprecated terms and on considered, but not included terms
* terms in all sections should be ordered alphabetically
* how to deal with terms and
** synonyms: doubling implemented for Continuant/Endurant
** acronyms: which first, which second? double entries?
** subordination displayed on the term list?
*** double entries, as main & subordinated?
*** should be no problem due to being links only avoid doubling?
*** then which criteria for subordination or not?
* terms-in-context pages
** e.g., as for terminological systems, start with deKeizer
** e.g., as for foundational ontologies
** could contain further terms, which do not get included
[16:57] MariaKeet: FL: reference: on the termlist reference page
[16:57] MariaKeet: all: adding content now more important than best
formatting
[16:58] MariaKeet: FL: what about a student for formatting/I have none now
[16:58] MariaKeet: FL: what with a list of "deprecated terms"?
[16:58] MariaKeet: FL: need to keep terms listed alphabetically
[16:59] MariaKeet: FL: how to deal with terms that are quasi-structured
and others not? the case of synonyms and of subterms
[17:00] MariaKeet: subordinate the subterms or also list under the main
list, i.e. doubling the links?
[17:00] MariaKeet: FL: and finally, what with the acronyms, like DOLCE,
BFO etc?
[17:02] MariaKeet: MK: doubling ok
[17:02] MariaKeet: ZW, SL: also ok with doubling, as long as it's done
consistently
[17:04] MariaKeet: FL: 'terms in context', or: putting terms together
into subtopic? e.g., like all terms that have to do with glossaries,
with CNLs, top-level ontologies and so on?
[17:06] MariaKeet: FL: this could be an alternative to the
subordination, and just use a flat list
[17:06] MariaKeet: SL: probably not yet needed, as we don't have than
many terms now
[17:07] MariaKeet: FL: ok, look into it probably a bit later then
[17:08] MariaKeet: FL: acronyms: can do doubling too
[17:09] FrankLoebe: .
=== 3a. updates to textbook listing: some issues ===
[17:12] FrankLoebe: JB: I looked into classifications, but there are
typically no ontology subjects except for in philosophy (none in
computer sciences)
[17:12] FrankLoebe: JB: we'd also need a subclassification which does
not exist
[17:16] ZenaWood: I am really sorry but I have to go to another meeting
- I was going to report that I will send out the Wordpress quiz link out
when I send the textbook meeting out. I am sorry - I have not had any
chance to finish it whilst traveling.
[17:18] FrankLoebe: JB: in Spain there is an alphabetic ordering system
that uses keys composed of 3 letters of the author names plus 3 letters
of the title
[17:18] FrankLoebe: JB: [action] I could edit the pages until next
meeting to let us see what we think
[17:23] FrankLoebe: < discussion about ways of ordering the elements
within the broad categories of document types >
[17:25] FrankLoebe: [agreement] order elements by year (newest things
first), within years by the Spanish system described
[17:26] MariaKeet: [[EDIT: wiki password removed]]
[17:27] FrankLoebe: .
== next meeting ==
[17:32] FrankLoebe: < discussion about what to do with May 1 vs May 8 vs
May 15 >
[17:33] FrankLoebe: [agreement] next EduTC meeting on May 15, in the
week before (May 08) we may have the textbook meeting, despite regrets
from Maria
[17:43] FrankLoebe: .
== participants ==
JB Julita Bermejo-Alonso
AG Aldo Gangemi [invited]
MK Maria Keet
FL Frank Loebe
SL Sandra Lovrencic
TS Todd Schneider [chat only]
ZW Zena Wood
< transcript ends >
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= 28th Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - April 10, 2018 =
--> Meeting n.28 Tue, April 10, 2018 [1]
10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST / 16:00 SAST
Skype: https://join.skype.com/a36OQeLjaIzd
Chat : http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_edu_20180410
[1] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180410T1400
-- edited session transcript --
[16:01] MariaKeet:
= 28th Meeting of the IAOA Techn. Comm. on Education - April 10, 2018 =
== participants ==
expecting:
JB Julita Bermejo-Alonso
MK Maria Keet
FL Frank Loebe
SL Sandra Lovrencic
TS Todd Schneider
ZW Zena Wood
regrets:
< none >
== agenda ==
0. adoption of agenda
! 1. update on ISAO 2018 [MK/ISAO Chairs]
a. 1st call for participation?
b. other
2. EduTC planning for 2018
a. progress on timeline for textbook work in 2018 [ZW]
b. progress on timeline for termlist before ISAO 2018 [FL]
3. wiki maintenance
a. updates to textbook listing: some issues [JB]
b. term/definition and formatting updates [FL]
c. other updates?
? 5. pub quizzes
a. ISAO 2016 quiz draft in Wordpress [ZW]
6. AOB
7. next meeting(s)
[16:04] FrankLoebe: < session starts >
[16:04] FrankLoebe: MK: agenda adopted as is
[16:04] FrankLoebe: .
== 1. update on ISAO 2018 ==
a. 1st call for participation?
b. other
[16:05] FrankLoebe: MK: 1. CfParticipation is needed soon - any updates?
[16:06] FrankLoebe: AG: we have a 1st draft now, which got distributed among a few people for checking
[16:07] FrankLoebe: AG: I've just sent it via Skype, please let me know of comments
[16:08] FrankLoebe: MK: ok, comments should be sent after the meeting, perhaps by today
[16:08] FrankLoebe: MK: call should go out during this week
[16:08] FrankLoebe: AG: Antony Galton informed me that he cannot attend ISAO; I will attend
[16:09] FrankLoebe: AG: Would anybody else be available to support me in coordinating?
[16:10] FrankLoebe: FL: ^ I assume: while ISAO is ongoing
[16:10] FrankLoebe: AG: real program should be arranged for over the next few weeks
[16:12] FrankLoebe: AG: regarding speakers, we have the four stated in the CfPart, i.e., Maureen Donelly (Buffalo), Maria Keet (Cape Town), Anita Britz (Stellenbosch), Stefan Schulz (Graz, Austria)
[16:13] FrankLoebe: < quote from the call >
* Arina Britz, Stellenbosch University, South Africa
(First-order Logic and Description Logics)
* Maureen Donnelly, University of Buffalo, New York, USA
(Mereology, Location, and Time)
* Maria Keet, University of Cape Town, South Africa
(Semantics and Conceptual Modelling)
* Stefan Schulz, Medical University of Graz, Austria
(Biomedical Ontology)
</ quote >
[16:14] FrankLoebe: MK: what about the 2 invited speakers at FOIS? would they join, e.g. for a guest lecture?
[16:14] FrankLoebe: AG: I'm not fully sure about the invitation status and feedback; Antony Galton is handling that
[16:15] FrankLoebe: AG: the program will be more structured than the list of lecturers with topics in the call
[16:17] FrankLoebe: FL: The status of Michael Gruninger of giving a guest lecture or not seems to be unclear. Perhaps he could be informed about that, please.
[16:18] FrankLoebe: AG: [action] [AG] Ok, I'll take that to Antony Galton.
[16:18] FrankLoebe: MK: Peter Simons also expressed interest in giving a guest lecture.
[16:18] FrankLoebe: MK: any other requests for Aldo regarding ISAO?
[16:18] FrankLoebe: MK: the budget still needs to be finalized
[16:19] FrankLoebe: AG: Budget will cover accommodation of lecturers; but will it cover travel costs, too?
[16:21] FrankLoebe: MK: we might pay for S.Schulz and M.Donelly, but in previous ISAOs there has not been much funding, including not for the chairs
[16:21] FrankLoebe: AG: I note the item on pub quizzes on the agenda ...
[16:21] FrankLoebe: MK: that's actually concerning the former pub quizzes
[16:23] FrankLoebe: AG: I'd like to have much interaction insofar a pub quiz would be good.
[16:24] FrankLoebe: AG: No final decision on having a pub quiz yet, but I'll discuss that with Antony Galton and then we decide.
[16:24] FrankLoebe: MK: Please make sure, if a pub quiz is to happen, to let us know if you would want questions from us, from former pub quizzes
[16:27] FrankLoebe: FL: comment on the budget discussion: assuming not much funding, how does it work to pay for lecturers, without rather high fees?
[16:28] FrankLoebe: MK: basically this applies only to two international full lecturers, not to guest lecturers (I myself and Arina Britz won't need funding)
[16:29] FrankLoebe: MK: on the date of ISAO: it's Sep 10-15, website will be updated, CfPart should take this into account, too.
[16:29] FrankLoebe: MK: feedback on CfParticipation should be provided by the end of the day
[16:30] FrankLoebe: MK: thanks to Aldo
< AG leaves >
[16:30] FrankLoebe: Todd, are you on Skype?
[16:31] FrankLoebe: .
== 2. EduTC planning for 2018 ==
a. progress on timeline for textbook work in 2018 [ZW]
b. progress on timeline for termlist before ISAO 2018 [FL]
[16:32] FrankLoebe: ZW: timeline will still be done, I'll send it to [iaoa-education]
[16:32] FrankLoebe: ZW: I'm also going to propose a meeting for the week before the next EduTC meeting
[16:33] FrankLoebe: timeline for termlist: status from last Meeting:
Jun 30: first draft done
Aug: consistency checking (4 weeks)
Sep 02 (Sun): be done the week before ISAO, then announce it
* ISAO: Sep 10-15
[16:33] FrankLoebe: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aFp9-mUpq--l-9X5Q1GOl_8_G7h6ngDhZJdPkbYBrMc/edit?usp=sharing
[16:41] FrankLoebe: < discussion about the spreadsheet and how to use it collaboratively vs mainly FL handling a local spreadsheet >
[16:47] FrankLoebe: [agreement] use the term list for "editing reservations" as discussed, e.g. "[MK, Apr 15, 2018]"
[16:48] FrankLoebe: SL: [action] add * Ontology pages (6)
[16:49] FrankLoebe: [action] [MK] add relation, Particular-Particular Relation?
[16:50] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] Entity
[16:51] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] assess the status of existing definitions by next meeting
[16:51] FrankLoebe: ^ all of the immediately preceding action items are due by next meeting
[16:52] FrankLoebe: .
== 3. wiki maintenance ==
a. updates to textbook listing: some issues [JB]
b. term/definition and formatting updates [FL]
c. other updates?
[16:53] FrankLoebe: MK: < item 3a. skipped as JB is missing >
[16:57] MariaKeet: FL: formatting as at the top part of the continuant page
[16:57] FrankLoebe: comments on the term list:
* add sections on deprecated terms and on considered, but not included terms
* terms in all sections should be ordered alphabetically
* how to deal with terms and
** synonyms: doubling implemented for Continuant/Endurant
** acronyms: which first, which second? double entries?
** subordination displayed on the term list?
*** double entries, as main & subordinated?
*** should be no problem due to being links only avoid doubling?
*** then which criteria for subordination or not?
* terms-in-context pages
** e.g., as for terminological systems, start with deKeizer
** e.g., as for foundational ontologies
** could contain further terms, which do not get included
[16:57] MariaKeet: FL: reference: on the termlist reference page
[16:57] MariaKeet: all: adding content now more important than best formatting
[16:58] MariaKeet: FL: what about a student for formatting/I have none now
[16:58] MariaKeet: FL: what with a list of "deprecated terms"?
[16:58] MariaKeet: FL: need to keep terms listed alphabetically
[16:59] MariaKeet: FL: how to deal with terms that are quasi-structured and others not? the case of synonyms and of subterms
[17:00] MariaKeet: subordinate the subterms or also list under the main list, i.e. doubling the links?
[17:00] MariaKeet: FL: and finally, what with the acronyms, like DOLCE, BFO etc?
[17:02] MariaKeet: MK: doubling ok
[17:02] MariaKeet: ZW, SL: also ok with doubling, as long as it's done consistently
[17:04] MariaKeet: FL: 'terms in context', or: putting terms together into subtopic? e.g., like all terms that have to do with glossaries, with CNLs, top-level ontologies and so on?
[17:06] MariaKeet: FL: this could be an alternative to the subordination, and just use a flat list
[17:06] MariaKeet: SL: probably not yet needed, as we don't have than many terms now
[17:07] MariaKeet: FL: ok, look into it probably a bit later then
[17:08] MariaKeet: FL: acronyms: can do doubling too
[17:09] FrankLoebe: .
=== 3a. updates to textbook listing: some issues ===
[17:12] FrankLoebe: JB: I looked into classifications, but there are typically no ontology subjects except for in philosophy (none in computer sciences)
[17:12] FrankLoebe: JB: we'd also need a subclassification which does not exist
[17:16] ZenaWood: I am really sorry but I have to go to another meeting - I was going to report that I will send out the Wordpress quiz link out when I send the textbook meeting out. I am sorry - I have not had any chance to finish it whilst traveling.
[17:18] FrankLoebe: JB: in Spain there is an alphabetic ordering system that uses keys composed of 3 letters of the author names plus 3 letters of the title
[17:18] FrankLoebe: JB: [action] I could edit the pages until next meeting to let us see what we think
[17:23] FrankLoebe: < discussion about ways of ordering the elements within the broad categories of document types >
[17:25] FrankLoebe: [agreement] order elements by year (newest things first), within years by the Spanish system described
[17:26] MariaKeet: [[EDIT: wiki password removed]]
[17:27] FrankLoebe: .
== next meeting ==
[17:32] FrankLoebe: < discussion about what to do with May 1 vs May 8 vs May 15 >
[17:33] FrankLoebe: [agreement] next EduTC meeting on May 15, in the week before (May 08) we may have the textbook meeting, despite regrets from Maria
[17:43] FrankLoebe: .
== participants ==
JB Julita Bermejo-Alonso
AG Aldo Gangemi [invited]
MK Maria Keet
FL Frank Loebe
SL Sandra Lovrencic
TS Todd Schneider [chat only]
ZW Zena Wood
< transcript ends >
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