From frank.loebe at informatik.uni-leipzig.de Wed Jul 30 16:29:21 2014 From: frank.loebe at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Frank Loebe) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:29:21 +0200 Subject: [iaoa-bylaws] Membership updates to this mailing list Message-ID: <00ef01cfac02$aa626180$ff272480$@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> Dear all, since this mailing list has not been actively used since 2010 [1] and I'm not aware of activities in the Bylaws Committee since late 2012, I'd like to suggest and directly implement an update to the membership of this list. This change is related with preparations towards a relocation of IAOA from Italy to Switzerland. In particular, work on modifications of the IAOA statute and bylaws in order to ensure coherence with Swiss law has started. For this context, I'd like to prepare the mailing list with a set of subscribers that are active in this effort, while I'd like to prevent active members at former times from receiving email traffic that is possibly unwanted by or unnecessary for them nowadays. Accordingly and as my best guess, I'll keep or add only those who have expressed their interest in the current effort in the last EC meeting (n.107 of Jul 24, 2014 [2]), whereas I'll unsubscribe everyone else. Those unsubscribed will receive an automated unsubscription message from the mailing list software. I pursue this mainly as a matter of housekeeping (and under some time constraints), whereas I have clearly no intention to exclude anyone who is interested or willing to contribute. Please let me know if you prefer to remain a member of this mailing list or issue a subscription request directly [3]. Likewise please tell me if you find the overall approach (of more or less direct unsubscription) inappropriate. Notably, the archive of the list is publically accessible [4], as an alternative way of staying informed. Best regards, Frank [1] http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/iaoa-bylaws/ [2] https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/private/iaoa-council/2014-July/000007.html (see item 2., starting [15:56]) [3] https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/iaoa-bylaws [4] https://listserv.ovgu.de/pipermail/iaoa-bylaws/ From frank.loebe at informatik.uni-leipzig.de Wed Jul 30 20:21:49 2014 From: frank.loebe at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Frank Loebe) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:21:49 +0200 Subject: [iaoa-bylaws] Statute and bylaws (v4) in Google Docs & proposal for the meeting Message-ID: <013d01cfac23$24167c80$6c437580$@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> Dear all, for tomorrow's discussion, I've produced Google-Doc versions of Statute [1] and Bylaws [2] that are based on importing Marion's latest version (v3 in my numbering) into Google-Drive and adding Fabians comments (from v2 in my numbering and from an email by him today) as well as a few remarks of my own (just what I came across, unsystematically only, I'm sorry). I'm referring to this as version 4. I would propose to directly edit/comment on these Google Docs tomorrow, as we go. I'd ask you to avoid changes to the actual body of text before the meeting. If you were to add more comments beforehand (which should be fine), please login to Google before you start editing or commenting, such that the origin of changes or comments is correctly assigned. (NB: I'm not sure whether access should be more restrictive than it is now, where knowing [1,2] suffices - lacking experience, I'd be grateful for any advice in this regard.) Moreover, I think in the last EC meeting I suggested that we clarify first how severe the changes may be that we would allow us to make. Meanwhile, I'd like to propose a different approach to the meeting, namely to start with the details straight-away (at least initially), i.e., going through the items/places that are marked in the documents and through the comments. I would expect that we can then better see which issues and what types of changes everyone has in mind for which phrases/fragments. We may record items without immediate/quick consensus and revisit these in another pass, then possibly after more general discussion. With an initial general-level discussion I'd now see a threat in spending(losing?) much(?) time there, with significant potential for misunderstandings "in the abstract", possibly despite similar solutions for concrete cases (and no progress there). I think that we are all similarly aware of major pros and major cons of additional changes. The same applies to some extent to the two main positions/tendencies, where I would see these two ends of the spectrum of our opinions: (1) "minimal changes, only those which are indispensable for becoming a Swiss association" and (2) "try to minimize changes, but allowing for fixing 'known bugs' in our documents (possibly including decreasing complications that are purely due to Italian law), if the resulting changes have sufficiently local/calculable/assessable effects". Overall, I think we actually strive for similar goals. Hence it may be useful to proceed "in levels" - first agree on where we have consensus and then discuss differences after we have a good picture of the actual cases. Of course, all of that is just a proposal for our consideration. Best regards, Frank [1] v4-statute https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UGLqlTrUk5xGEa6PAUOT1_kMnHxAulecriLzR0Sw nH8/edit?usp=sharing [2] v4-bylaws https://docs.google.com/document/d/1utSFvY-qViARwO8UW2UW0yuLuvzZdWIy6BJT2P5M SXY/edit?usp=sharing From gruninger at mie.utoronto.ca Wed Jul 30 20:33:15 2014 From: gruninger at mie.utoronto.ca (Michael Gruninger) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:33:15 -0400 Subject: [iaoa-bylaws] Statute and bylaws (v4) in Google Docs & proposal for the meeting In-Reply-To: <013d01cfac23$24167c80$6c437580$@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> References: <013d01cfac23$24167c80$6c437580$@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> Message-ID: <53D93A6B.5090804@mie.utoronto.ca> Hello Frank, sounds like an excellent strategy. thanks for setting up the Google-Doc. - michael On 14-07-30 2:21 PM, Frank Loebe wrote: > Dear all, > > for tomorrow's discussion, I've produced Google-Doc versions of Statute [1] > and Bylaws [2] that are based on importing Marion's latest version (v3 in my > numbering) into Google-Drive and adding Fabians comments (from v2 in my > numbering and from an email by him today) as well as a few remarks of my own > (just what I came across, unsystematically only, I'm sorry). I'm referring > to this as version 4. > > I would propose to directly edit/comment on these Google Docs tomorrow, as > we go. I'd ask you to avoid changes to the actual body of text before the > meeting. If you were to add more comments beforehand (which should be fine), > please login to Google before you start editing or commenting, such that the > origin of changes or comments is correctly assigned. (NB: I'm not sure > whether access should be more restrictive than it is now, where knowing > [1,2] suffices - lacking experience, I'd be grateful for any advice in this > regard.) > > Moreover, I think in the last EC meeting I suggested that we clarify first > how severe the changes may be that we would allow us to make. Meanwhile, I'd > like to propose a different approach to the meeting, namely to start with > the details straight-away (at least initially), i.e., going through the > items/places that are marked in the documents and through the comments. I > would expect that we can then better see which issues and what types of > changes everyone has in mind for which phrases/fragments. We may record > items without immediate/quick consensus and revisit these in another pass, > then possibly after more general discussion. > > With an initial general-level discussion I'd now see a threat in > spending(losing?) much(?) time there, with significant potential for > misunderstandings "in the abstract", possibly despite similar solutions for > concrete cases (and no progress there). I think that we are all similarly > aware of major pros and major cons of additional changes. The same applies > to some extent to the two main positions/tendencies, where I would see these > two ends of the spectrum of our opinions: > (1) "minimal changes, only those which are indispensable for becoming a > Swiss association" and > (2) "try to minimize changes, but allowing for fixing 'known bugs' in our > documents (possibly including decreasing complications that are purely due > to Italian law), if the resulting changes have sufficiently > local/calculable/assessable effects". > > Overall, I think we actually strive for similar goals. Hence it may be > useful to proceed "in levels" - first agree on where we have consensus and > then discuss differences after we have a good picture of the actual cases. > Of course, all of that is just a proposal for our consideration. > > Best regards, > Frank > > > [1] v4-statute > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UGLqlTrUk5xGEa6PAUOT1_kMnHxAulecriLzR0Sw > nH8/edit?usp=sharing > > [2] v4-bylaws > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1utSFvY-qViARwO8UW2UW0yuLuvzZdWIy6BJT2P5M > SXY/edit?usp=sharing > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Msg Archives: https://listserv.ovgu.de/pipermail/iaoa-bylaws/ > To join: please email the chairs or to: info[at]iaoa.org > IAOA wiki: http://ontolog-02.cim3.net/wiki/IAOA > IAOA website: http://iaoa.org > > From frank.loebe at informatik.uni-leipzig.de Thu Jul 31 19:05:22 2014 From: frank.loebe at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Frank Loebe) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:05:22 +0200 Subject: [iaoa-bylaws] Notes and afterthoughts on Bylaws Committee meeting 2014.07.31 & next steps Message-ID: <000901cface1$a0cecc00$e26c6400$@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> Dear all, to summarize below - please correct me, where I'm wrong - and with some thoughts since the meeting today. In today's meeting of Fabian, Michael, Stefano, and myself, we have agreed on first changes in the Statute, v4 [1] (working version, opened on Jul 30), discussed several points and added comments/replies to the Statute and the Bylaws. As next actions we said that we will asynchronically add further comments, in particular und foremost commenting on the yellow changes (i.e., areas marked yellow, from Marion's v3), possibly reaching agreement in hopefully many cases this way. Cf. also below for the list of next actions that I currently see, open to modification and enhancement. For having a date, due to few working days next week and the need to restrict my time, I myself plan to go through at least the yellow parts by Wed, Aug 13. Around that date Marion should become available again, as well. If we could all add our comments by then, we have another week before the consolidating date of Aug 21 for EC meeting n.108, for re-coordination on next steps, possibly another technical meeting before Aug 21, and some further edits. @Michael: A question is how this planning relates to the Assembly announcement, depending on the extent to which announcement (and Assembly) will address relocation and regulations revision. Finally, I've changed the mode of the working documents (v4, [1-2]). At present, anyone with the links [1-2] available can read and comment on the files. Editing is shared with Michael, Stefano and Fabian (who I had Google addresses of). If anyone else is going to edit, please send me (or another editor) a sharing request. (NB: I cannot respond to these between Aug 2-6.) @Editors: If you make changes to the text body, please pick a color that is not yet used, label it in the legend"ary" comment at the top of each document and COLOR YOUR EDITS with your color, please! Thanks and best regards, Frank Actions ------- * [action] [any volunteer?/FL] setup a roadmap with major items of our relocation activities (incl. regulations revision) of what is to be achieved when, and which deadlines / time estimates are there * [action] [all] comment on yellow changes * [action] [all] any further comments/discussion * [action] [FL, ca. Aug 11] check status of revisions and propose further procedure References ---------- [1] v4 Statute https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UGLqlTrUk5xGEa6PAUOT1_kMnHxAulecriLzR0Sw nH8/edit?usp=sharing [2] v4 Bylaws https://docs.google.com/document/d/1utSFvY-qViARwO8UW2UW0yuLuvzZdWIy6BJT2P5M SXY/edit?usp=sharing > -----Original Message----- > From: iaoa-council-bounces at ovgu.de [mailto:iaoa-council-bounces at ovgu.de] > On Behalf Of Frank Loebe > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 5:07 PM > To: iaoa-council at ovgu.de > Subject: [iaoa-council] Bylaws meeting 2014.07.31 and [iaoa-bylaws] list > for detailed discussions == FW: [iaoa-bylaws] Membership updates to this > mailing list > > Dear all, > > just a little reminder that last week we have planned a > > --> special-purpose meeting for discussing details in adapting the > --> Statute > and Bylaws for Switzerland, to be held tomorrow, > --> Thu, Jul 31, starting from 09:30 PDT / 15:30 CEST (see call details > below). > > According to the status last week [A], I currently assume that Fabian, > Leo, Marion, Michael, Stefano, and myself are active at this level of > detail. > Marion had expressed her regrets for tomorrow's meeting already, Leo > wasn't sure. Everyone else interested is certainly welcome to join, > without there being any expectation. > > Moreover, I've just sent the message below to the [iaoa-bylaws] list and > am going to update its membership to just those six of us named above. My > proposal would be that we use [iaoa-bylaws] for email discussions on > details in adapting the Statute and Bylaws, e.g. if necessary after > tomorrow's meeting. Again, everyone who's interested should feel free to > (re-)join that list, either by letting me know or by issuing a > subscription request directly [B]. > > Thanks and best regards, > Frank > > > [A] > https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/private/iaoa-council/2014- > July/000007.html > (see item 2., starting [15:56]) > > [B] https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/iaoa-bylaws > > > > == "Bylaws Committee" meeting, Jul 31, 2014 == == call details == > > * Date: Thu 2014.07.31 > * Start Time: 09:30 EDT / 15:30 CEST > * Duration: ~1.5 Hours > ** worldclock: > > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140731T1330&ah= > 1& > am=30 > > * Dial-in (using the Ontolog voice conference bridge) with PIN: 843758# > ** Skype: "join.conference" > ** or, Phone: (US): +1 (425) 440-5100 or +1 (315) 401-3279 > > * in-session chat: > http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_20140731 > > > == participants == > > * expecting: > SB Stefano Borgo > MG Michael Gruninger > FL Frank Loebe > FN Fabian Neuhaus > LO Leo Obrst (?) > > * regrets: > MH Marion Haemmerli > > [...]