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<b>Chat transcript from room: ontoiop_20141103</b><br>
<b>2014-11-03 GMT-08:00</b><br>
<b>[07:43] </b>anonymous morphed into Rokan<br>
<b>[08:00] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>Is there a different phone
call going on?<br>
<b>[08:01] </b>anonymous morphed into Yazmin Ibanez<br>
<b>[08:01] </b>anonymous morphed into ConradBock<br>
<b>[08:01] </b><b>MihaiCodescu: </b>Yes, it seems so<br>
<b>[08:03] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>we need to set up a
separate Skype call<br>
<b>[08:03] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>What happens now?<br>
<b>[08:03] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>please tell me you Skype
names.<br>
<b>[08:03] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>I'm not allowed to use Skype.<br>
<b>[08:03] </b><b>MichaelGruninger: </b>My skype id is mudcatpi<br>
<b>[08:03] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>I will set up a new Skype
conference, using the usual Skype facilities<br>
<b>[08:04] </b><b>TerryLongstreth: </b>Before I forget: I'll be
away for the next two Mondays, and probably won't be able to do
much. I'm planning to run the spell checker tomorrow (for US
English) but I've not tested spell checking against a PDF, so it
might be best to have it in a word processing format,like MS Word
or Openoffice.<br>
<b>[08:04] </b><b>MichaelGruninger: </b>Sorry, I forgot that the
SWAO SIG has a monthly call (first Monday of each month) at 1000
EST.<br>
<b>[08:05] </b><b>TerryLongstreth: </b>I can't callin on Skype
today.<br>
<b>[08:05] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>I have a telecon number we
could use.<br>
<b>[08:05] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>@Terry, it won't be easy to
convert from Latex to Word or Open Office<br>
<b>[08:06] </b><b>ChristophLange: </b>Not sure what this "Skype"
discussion means, but in any case my username is "duke4701"<br>
<b>[08:07] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>Can use this: 866 747 9595,
Participant code: 9365317. Would that be OK?<br>
<b>[08:07] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>@Conrad how do we use the
telecon number?<br>
<b>[08:08] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>The 866 number works
internationally.<br>
<b>[08:09] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>I opened the 866 bridge if
you'd like to use it.<br>
<b>[08:10] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>Problem with calling
internationally is that it can get expensive very quickly.<br>
<b>[08:10] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>It might. Not sure if the 866
number has a toll charge overseas.<br>
<b>[08:11] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>fine if you want to use Skype.
Terry and I will just be on chat.<br>
<b>[08:11] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>What about google hangout,
you can use that, right?<br>
<b>[08:12] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>By the time we figure out how
to to reconvene, the original number will be open. :)<br>
<b>[08:12] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>OK, what about having the
Skype call for now, and change to the usual channel in 20 mins,
when the SWOA SIG has finished its call? In the meantime, we could
rely on the chat more than usually.<br>
<b>[08:12] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>I've never heard of Google
hangout.<br>
<b>[08:13] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>@Till. Fine for me.<br>
<b>[08:13] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>OK, then let us do this.
Yazmin, do you have a Skype name?<br>
<b>[08:14] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>@Conrad: it is a similar
service like Skype from Google. I switched to it when I was at
NIST, because it was not banned.<br>
<b>[08:14] </b><b>Yazmin Ibanez: </b>yes, it is
yazmin.angelica.ibanez.garcia<br>
<b>[08:14] </b><b>Yazmin Ibanez: </b>Mihai already added me<br>
<b>[08:15] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Concerning the DOL
documents, we have made a lot of progress in the last week.<br>
<b>[08:16] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>Till: we added section 0<br>
<b>[08:16] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>explanation: section 0
explains the submissions in terms of the RFP<br>
<b>[08:17] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>Till: section 7 has a new
introduction<br>
<b>[08:18] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>Till: section 8 has new
introduction<br>
<b>[08:19] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>Till: the grammar has been
revised, because implementation of parsers showed problems<br>
<b>[08:19] </b><b>TerryLongstreth: </b>@Till - I checked the
PDF, and the only way to spell check is, apparently, saving it as
a Word .doc or .docx, and running the checker on the product. But
you have to buy the commercial version of ADOBE to do that. Does
OMG accept LaTex?<br>
<b>[08:19] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>Till: semantics has been
very much rewritten.<br>
<b>[08:19] </b><b>TerryLongstreth: </b>Does OMG accept LaTex?<br>
<b>[08:20] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>Till: new appendix on tools<br>
<b>[08:20] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Suggestion for how to
proceed:<br>
<b>[08:20] </b><b>Yazmin Ibanez: </b>Couldn't we just run the
spellchecker on the latex code, as plain text ?<br>
<b>[08:21] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>@Terry: I don't think that
there is a requirement for a particular format. Until recently OMG
did not even use Word,<br>
<b>[08:21] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>1. there will be a
document this evening which is the basis for proof reading, both
content and spell checking<br>
<b>[08:21] </b><b>TerryLongstreth: </b>If we don't have it in a
checkable format, then I'd say submit it with checking. I've read
through much of it and haven't seen any egregious spelling or
grammar flaws.<br>
<b>[08:21] </b><b>TerryLongstreth: </b>C/with checking/without
checking/<br>
<b>[08:21] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>2. everyone can also
improve the current version<br>
<b>[08:22] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>@Terry OMG doesn't require
document source until after the submission is adopted. The team
can submit PDF generated from any source.<br>
<b>[08:23] </b>anonymous morphed into TaraAthan<br>
<b>[08:24] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>@Terry, Yazmin: yes, we are
using spell checkers in Latex<br>
<b>[08:24] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>@yazmin: we should use
ispell -t, this can directly check the LaTeX code. Or use a LaTeX
editor that directly does it. Never spell-check the plain tex file
wth a checker that does not understand LaTeX, because this is
tedious.<br>
<b>[08:25] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>this means that not Terry
should do the spell checking, but someone else.<br>
<b>[08:26] </b><b>anonymous: </b>Hi<br>
<b>[08:26] </b>anonymous morphed into TaraAthan<br>
<b>[08:27] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>I think spell-checking is
not really the issue (given that we use spell-checkers). What we
really need is a native speaker to eliminate the Denglish :-)<br>
<b>[08:27] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Michael will do the spell
checking over the next weekend.<br>
<b>[08:28] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>sourcetree<br>
<b>[08:28] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Hi Tara.<br>
<b>[08:28] </b><b>TaraAthan: </b>It is chat only I guess?<br>
<b>[08:29] </b><b>TerryLongstreth: </b>I will eyeball it for
Engleutsch<br>
<b>[08:29] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>@Tara, the telephone line
was in use. We will switch in few minutes.<br>
<b>[08:29] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>We will start the usual
call in a few minutes (currently, the line is blocked by another
call).<br>
<b>[08:29] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>@Currently, we are
partially on skype<br>
<b>[08:29] </b><b>TaraAthan: </b>ok<br>
<b>[08:30] </b><b>TerryLongstreth: </b>My new years resolution
will be to buy a Linux machine and install LaTex.<br>
<b>[08:30] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>@Tara I try to invite you
to the skype call.<br>
<b>[08:31] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>(continuing my scribe
duties)<br>
<b>[08:31] </b><b>TaraAthan: </b>@Terry - I suggest you try
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.sharelatex.com">https://www.sharelatex.com</a><br>
<b>[08:32] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>@Terry There are decent
Windows LaTex tools.<br>
<b>[08:32] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>Till and Christoph discuss
Lola.<br>
<b>[08:33] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>Till/Christoph: discussion
of issue 52, the role of Lola<br>
<b>[08:33] </b><b>TerryLongstreth: </b>I tried. My machine's too
old (ca: 2005)<br>
<b>[08:34] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>@Terry: Sharelatex is
cloud-based. This should work, I think<br>
<b>[08:35] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Annex A should be about
LoLa, see issue 52. The RDF vocabulary will then become a part of
it.<br>
<b>[08:36] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Tara: the vocabulary
should be kept as a separate file, and imported as a module.<br>
<b>[08:36] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Tara: OMG has certain
requirements for ontology URLs. MAybe purl.net/DOL will not work.<br>
<b>[08:37] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Elisa knows more.<br>
<b>[08:37] </b><b>TerryLongstreth: </b>@Tara & @Fabian
Thanks for the pointer. If I've time, I'll play with it when I get
back from my trip.<br>
<b>[08:37] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b>Let's switch to the other
line<br>
<b>[08:37] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Attention: we will now
switch to the usual channel (e.g. join.conference at Skype)<br>
<b>[08:38] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Conrad, Terry: can you
join us there?<br>
<b>[08:40] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Dial-in:
* Phone (US): +1 (206) 402-0100
... when prompted enter Conference ID: 843758#
* Skype: "join.conference"
... when prompted enter Conference ID: 843758#
** in case your skype connection to "joinconference" is not
holding
up, try using (your favorite POTS or VoIP line, etc.) either your
phone, skype-out or google-voice and
call the US dial-in number: +1 (425) 440-5100
... when prompted enter Conference ID: 843758#<br>
<b>[08:41] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>Conrad joins<br>
<b>[08:43] </b><b>ConradBock: </b>Again<br>
<b>[08:44] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Conrad, please tell us
when you have joined.<br>
<b>[08:45] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>decision to delete "K.
Annex (informative): Annotation
Vocabularies"<br>
<b>[08:47] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>discussion about how to
make UML class diagrams DOL conformant<br>
<b>[08:48] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>this means we need to
specify a formal semantics for UML class diagrams<br>
<b>[08:48] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>There are two options: 1.
fUML, 2. literature by Alexander Knapp<br>
<b>[08:49] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Alexander Knapp writes on
option 1:<br>
<b>[08:49] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>I've checked with the
current fUML specification,
version 1.1 as of August 2013. Chapter 7 specifies which parts of
UML static
structures are included in fUML, and chapter 8 gives their
semantics. This
semantics explains which instances (values) comply with which
classes and
data types. However, the semantics is not describing directly what
the
denotation of a class diagram is. Two citations from the
specification which
I found interesting:
- "Foundational UML does not contain association actions, so it
does not
provide semantics for link objects." (p. 116)
- "However, the exact behavior to be specified for polymorphic
operation
dispatching is a semantic variation point in fUML." (p. 117)<br>
<b>[08:50] </b><b>TaraAthan: </b>Is it possible to evaluate fUML
and recommend improvements that would bring it into conformance?<br>
<b>[08:53] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Reference for fUML:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.omg.org/spec/FUML/">http://www.omg.org/spec/FUML/</a><br>
<b>[08:58] </b><b>FabianNeuhaus: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://philebus.tamu.edu/cmenzel/Papers/AxiomaticSemantics.pdf">http://philebus.tamu.edu/cmenzel/Papers/AxiomaticSemantics.pdf</a><br>
<b>[09:02] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>The Knapp paper:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www4.in.tum.de/~cengarle/papers/TUM-I0807.pdf">http://www4.in.tum.de/~cengarle/papers/TUM-I0807.pdf</a><br>
<b>[09:02] </b><b>MichaelGruninger: </b>Need to go now ...<br>
<b>[09:04] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>see also
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbkb/publikationen/bibsearch/detail_e.htm?pk_int=3014">http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbkb/publikationen/bibsearch/detail_e.htm?pk_int=3014</a><br>
<b>[09:18] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Conrad: suggestion: we
put an empty stub in the annex with UML class diagram
DOL-conformance, and discuss this at the OMG meeting<br>
<b>[09:20] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>then we could try get the
Knapp version in, and if we do not succeed, we can still remove
the annex.<br>
<b>[09:22] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>I think we can also try
to improve the fUML-based semantics and make it DOL conformant.
However, I do not want to commit ourselves that this must be done
before we get the DOL standard accepted.<br>
<b>[09:24] </b><b>TillMossakowski: </b>Tara: the DOL standard
could then foster an interesting investigation, which however will
not be part of the DOL standard.<br>
<b>[09:34] </b>List of attendees: ChristophLange, ConradBock,
FabianNeuhaus, MichaelGruninger, MihaiCodescu, OliverKutz, Rokan,
TaraAthan, TerryLongstreth, TillMossakowski, Yazmin Ibanez<br>
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