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On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 4:47:36 PM EST, Robert Rovetto <ontologos@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 8:59:51 AM EST, Frank Loebe <frank.loebe@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Dear all,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">please find below the unedited chat transcript of the Education <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Committee meeting n.44, held today.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">If you have any comments or change requests, please let me know.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">A follow-up meeting is planned for the week starting on Mar 22, 2021. A <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Doodle poll for determining the exact time slot shall follow soon.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Best regards,<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Frank<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">-- unedited chat transcript --<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[10:56] FrankLoebe: .<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">= IAOA Education Technical Committee meeting n.44 on Mar 03, 2021 =<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> ----------------> WELCOME (BACK) <----------------<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> --> Meeting n.44 Wed, Mar 03, 2021<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 05:00 EST / 10:00 UTC / 11:00 CET / 12:00 SAST [1]<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Skype: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://join.skype.com/eKAVpRwdkfFY">https://join.skype.com/eKAVpRwdkfFY</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> Chat : <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_educ">http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/iaoa_educ</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[1] <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20210303T1000&ah=1&am=30">https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20210303T1000&ah=1&am=30</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> selected based on [2]<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[2] <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://doodle.com/poll/mknafezeu6hvkzbp">https://doodle.com/poll/mknafezeu6hvkzbp</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">== participants ==<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">expecting:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> TH Torsten Hahmann [likely late]<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> LJ Ludger Jansen<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> MK Maria Keet<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> OK Oliver Kutz<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> FL Frank Loebe<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> SL Sandra Lovrencic<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> DP Daniele Porello<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> RR Robert Rovetto<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> ES Emilio Sanfilippo<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> CT Cassia Trojahn<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> LV Laure Vieu<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">regrets:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">< none ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">== agenda ==<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 0. adoption of agenda<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 1. webinar series on applied ontology<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> a. format (type of contents, length, frequency, live or not...)<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> b. technical aspects (which host, how to record...)<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> c. first program (what who when)<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> d. who handles the whole process<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 2. status and revival of the Education Committee<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> 3. next meeting(s) and AOB<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">== pre-meeting material ==<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">== 1. webinar series on applied ontology ==<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[1] initiating message<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/iaoa-education/2021-February/000289.html">https://listserv.ovgu.de//pipermail/iaoa-education/2021-February/000289.html</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">< excerpt from [1] ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[...] to invite you to contribute to develop a program of short webinars <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">(on-line video lectures) on fundamentals of Ontology and its Applications.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">IAOA's main educational activity, the ISAO summer school, was cancelled <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">in 2020 with hopes to postpone it to September 2021. But pandemic <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">uncertainties are still high and since we deemed that a proper summer <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">school cannot be held on-line, ISAO 2021 is now cancelled. Of course, <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">ISAO summer schools shall resume when the situation will improve.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">The idea then emerged in the IAOA EC to create a program of short <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">on-line lectures, possibly asking some of the lecturers who were on the <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">ISAO 2020 program to contribute, as well as extending to the wealth of <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">great lecturers present in our community. The webinar series could adopt <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">a regular frequency, and extend over the years, possibly becoming a main <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">instrument of the IAOA Education Technical Committee.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Educational activities certainly are in high demand from IAOA members. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">The EduTC needs to be revived, and the webinar series project could be <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">the occasion to gather energies and make it active again.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"></ excerpt ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[10:58] anonymous morphed into MariaKeet<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:07] FrankLoebe: < session started at 11:05 CET ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:08] FrankLoebe: .<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">< FL gives brief introduction on the background of the meeting ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[agreement] agenda adopted<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:08] FrankLoebe: .<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">== 1. webinar series on applied ontology ==<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> a. format (type of contents, length, frequency, live or not...)<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> b. technical aspects (which host, how to record...)<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> c. first program (what who when)<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> d. who handles the whole process<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:09] FrankLoebe: .<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">< LV summarizing the background of the webinar series idea, cf. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">pre-meeting material on item 1. ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:10] FrankLoebe: LV: we'd not simply convert the summer school format <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">into an online variant, but rather to consider a new online format<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:11] FrankLoebe: LV: first ideas: short (ca. 20 min) <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">webinars/presentations; e.g.: what's a perdurant? what's a top-level <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">ontology? ... having many of those<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:12] FrankLoebe: MK: who is this targeting? Anyone out there? <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">post-grads, PhDs?<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:12] FrankLoebe: MK: this will affect topics<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:13] FrankLoebe: LV: hasn't been fixed, but similar to the summer <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">schools seems plausible<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:14] FrankLoebe: MK: I get emails from industry people asking for <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">explanations on my textbook<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:16] FrankLoebe: FL: perhaps we don't have to fix this for all <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">webinars in the same way; could have some for postgrad level, some for <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">industry/business<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:19] FrankLoebe: LV: generally, we plan to continue this/provide <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">webinars over years, not just replacing ISAO in 2021<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:20] FrankLoebe: FL: yes, but we should also plan something concrete <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">for this year<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:24] FrankLoebe: ES: I welcome the idea in general; on the format, <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">the question is what to do, e.g., several online-conferences have <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">expected that people looked at videos beforehand, then having live <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">discussion sessions<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:30] FrankLoebe: CT: +1, have also seen that in conferences; although <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">live talks are also nice<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:30] FrankLoebe: < discussion about format options, esp. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">pre-recording vs. live session ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:31] FrankLoebe: options discussed: live-sessions; pre-recording + <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">later live session, possibly with panel-discussion<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:31] anonymous1 morphed into LudgerJansen<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:32] FrankLoebe: MK: there are also a number of videos out there, <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">from online classes held already<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:34] FrankLoebe: LV: [...]<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">LJ: what's the aim? unrelated topics or do we have a focus topic?<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:34] FrankLoebe: LV: would not want to be too constraining?<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:35] FrankLoebe: LJ: the decision will influence our approach<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:35] FrankLoebe: LV: one idea was to start with the intended <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">lecturers of ISAO 2020 (asking them)<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:37] FrankLoebe: LV: those could give a set of small videos that are <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">related ... but that's just one idea<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:39] FrankLoebe: MK: for the African Summer school we had an open <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">call for basic and advanced topics, creating a program from what we <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">received as talk suggestions<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:40] FrankLoebe: FL: sounds like a good idea to me, having <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">self-motivated presenters; we could fill in gaps (in topic coverage) later<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:40] MariaKeet: ^ (was this one: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://sigir.org/afirm2020/ ">http://sigir.org/afirm2020/ </a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[unrelated topics though])<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:48] FrankLoebe: LV: perhaps we ask known presenters in a first round <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">(N.Guarino, A.Varzi, K.Fine, etc.), then continue with an open call<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:50] FrankLoebe: < discussion on who to ask vs. open call; format and <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">possible durations ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:50] FrankLoebe: MK: I think we shouldn't have only presenters of one <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">group of age; want to demonstrate a lively & vibrant community<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:51] FrankLoebe: LV: I agree, we should have a mixed approach<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:51] FrankLoebe: MK: +1 for balance between the presenters<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:51] FrankLoebe: MK: on duration: students drop out after 10-12 min, <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">even 20-25 is too long; 45 min is far too long<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:52] FrankLoebe: MK: ^this is based on studies; more "action" on the <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">slides helps a bit (flying, moving things)<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:55] FrankLoebe: < discussion about readiness of presenters to stick <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">to new, short formats ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:56] FrankLoebe: FL: approaches need not exclude each other, majority <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">could be shorts, plus some longer ones<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:56] FrankLoebe: LJ: it's a challenge to re-format ways to explain <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">topics in bits of 10 min ... will be interesting to see what is produced<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:57] MariaKeet1: I have to leave in a few minutes<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[11:59] FrankLoebe: MK: I'd be interested in structuring and planning of <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">the series; giving input on how to restructure talks etc.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:03] FrankLoebe: LV: we should start asap, once the technical setup <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">is clarified<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:04] FrankLoebe: MK: still need to clarify whether course-like or <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">rather self-standing video that can be cherry-picked<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:05] FrankLoebe: LV: certainly self-standing is preferred<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:06] FrankLoebe: FL, DP: +1<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:09] MariaKeet1: I really have to go now, sorry. I'll see follow via <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">email?<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:09] MariaKeet1: bye<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:13] FrankLoebe: < general expressions of interest and occasional <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">contributions; no one in the meeting can take the full lead ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:22] FrankLoebe: < discussion on how to proceed ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:24] FrankLoebe: [agreement] next meeting TBD via Doodle in week of <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Mar 22, with time slots that allow for American participation, too<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:25] FrankLoebe: [action] [LV] establish a branch in IAOA's internal <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">wiki for joint work during the meetings<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:25] FrankLoebe: [action] [FL] setup the Doodle for the next meeting<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:26] FrankLoebe: [action] [LV,FL<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:27] FrankLoebe: [action] [LV,FL+??] start a wikipage on first <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">candidate lectures with presenter, scope and target audience<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:28] FrankLoebe: [action] [LV] consider moving forward the <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">clarification of which technical basis to use<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:28] FrankLoebe: < session ended a few minutes ago ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[12:31] FrankLoebe: .<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">== participants ==<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">present:<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> LJ Ludger Jansen<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> MK Maria Keet<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> FL Frank Loebe<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> DP Daniele Porello<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> ES Emilio Sanfilippo<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> CT Cassia Trojahn<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> LV Laure Vieu<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">< chat transcript ends ><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">_________________________________________________________________<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">To Post: mailto:<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:iaoa-education@ovgu.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:iaoa-education@ovgu.de">iaoa-education@ovgu.de</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Msg Archives: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://listserv.ovgu.de/pipermail/iaoa-education/">https://listserv.ovgu.de/pipermail/iaoa-education/</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">List Info: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/iaoa-education/">https://listserv.ovgu.de/mailman/listinfo/iaoa-education/</a><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Comm. 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